Is Obama eligible to run for President of Kenya?
If you can’t fit it into a 10 second sound bite, the “voters” won’t be bright enough to understand it. The majority of them wouldn’t know who Odinga is. Most of them don’t know who Obama is. They are just going to “vote” for “the black guy” because their favorite celebrity told them to.
Yes, it’s an important issue to hammer home. Let’s see what Corsi brings to the table. :)
Also, don’t forget the contract Obama signed with the socialist New Party if you need further evidence of his ideological leanings.
I was hoping this would actually make the DB Media. I should know better by now.
While I agree Odinga is important, the post above yours, and what Obama told the plumber, should resonate bigtime with everybody who earns a paycheck.
2 minute version:
"Barack Obama and Raila Odinga -- Did the Illinois senator violate the Logan Act in campaigning for his 'genocidist' cousin's bid for the Kenyan presidency?"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1P_P8lBCsE
8 minute version:
"Barack Obama & Raila Odinga"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ&feature=related
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Raila Odinga's official website:
"Your Agent of Change", "Register For Change", "Vote For Change"
http://www.raila07.com/
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"When Raila Odinga lost the presidential election last week (12/27/2007) to Mwai Kibaki, he claimed the vote was rigged, whereupon his tribal followers went on murderous rampages such as in the town of Eldoret, where on New Years Day dozens of people were burned to death in a church set on fire. Throughout Kenya, hundreds of people have been politically murdered in the last few days."
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Up to 1,000 killed in Kenyan crisis: Odinga
AOL India Editorial
Last Updated: January 07, 2008
Odinga, who turned 63 on Monday, faces a dilemma of responding to international pressure to avoid provoking more violence while also maintaining momentum to oust Kibaki.
http://www.aol.in/news/story/2008010710489019000001/
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From the website Atlas Shrugs, June 17, 2008:
Watch this video of the conflict in Kenya months back [see link below]. Odinga and Obama are Luo. Odinga and his American counterpart and strategist Obama both campaigned on this canard of "change". Obama campaigned for Odinga. Adam pointed out that Obama's been in Nairobi politicking more recently than he's been to Iraq. Why now does Obama pretend he doesn't know him?
Listen as the Luo calls itself the "Taliban" in the video. It's graphic, it's gruesome but it is who Obama supported. Watch the whole thing, particularly the Luos burning a church, raping women, and hacking a man to death -vid hat tip kasper
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/06/odinga-and-obam.html
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From the website 'Atlas Shrugs', October 10, 2008:
TREASON: OBAMA'S TACIT SUPPORT FOR ODINGA'S VIOLENT OVERTHROW OF DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED LEADER IN KENYA
UPDATE: Footage of Obama and Odinga campaiging together in Kenya. (hat tip Bill)
Jerome Corsi is back from Kenya and he confirms everything I have been reporting about Obama and Odinga since January 2008. Obama supported a vicious killer to overthrow the duly elected President of Kenya. The Odinga strategy exploited "anti-Kikuyu sentiments," clearly a racial strategy aimed at inflaming long-standing tribal animosity to gain electoral advantage for Odinga".
Why would Obama support the exploitation of ethnic violence and murder? To further his own Obamaodinga career? To position himself to "save the day"? Isn't this the same malevolent, anti-American, me-me-me subterfuge that Obama tried in Iraq? His private attempt to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence was sabotage, treason even. His objective was to keep our boys in Iraq until he became President so that he could position himself to take credit "for bringing our boys and girls home" when he he was vehemently against the surge and advocated surrender and defeat in Iraq. This Mansourian candidate depends and wishes for, advocates for American failure.
This is the currency in which he trades - bad for America is good for Obama. ..."
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/kenyas_killing_fields/index.html
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The Kenya Connection [Barack Obama, Raila Odinga]
New York Sun ^ | January 10, 2008 | DANIEL JOHNSON
Whether Mr. Odinga [Raila Odinga] has ordered his men to commit murder and arson is unclear. But his own background does not exactly suggest enthusiasm for democracy and the rule of law. Mr. Odinga's father, Oginga Odinga, led the Communist opposition during the Cold War and Raila Odinga was educated in Communist East Germany.
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In August 2006, Mr. Obama visited Kenya and spoke in support of Mr. Odinga's candidacy at rallies in Nairobi. The Web site Atlas Shrugs has even posted a photograph of the two men side by side. More recently, Mr. Odinga says that Mr. Obama interrupted his campaigning in New Hampshire to have a telephone conversation with his African cousin about the constitutional crisis in Kenya.
What should Americans make of Mr. Obama's Kenyan connection? If he has been putting tribal or family considerations above America's national interest by supporting Mr. Odinga's anti-Western candidacy, it raises serious questions about his judgement.
At the time of his visit in 2006, President Kibaki's spokesman complained that Mr. Obama was behaving like a "stooge" of Mr. Odinga — which was at best undignified for a visiting American senator, and at worst unwarranted interference in the internal politics of another country.
http://www.nysun.com/opinion/kenya-connection/69273/
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January 8, 2008
Odinga says Obama is his cousin
Split picture Kenyan opposition leader Raila Odinga (l) and US presidential hopeful Senator Barack Obama (r) Mr Obama (r) is descended from the same Luo tribe as Mr Odinga (l)
Odinga on Obama
Kenyan opposition leader Raila Odinga has said he is a cousin of US presidential hopeful Barack Obama.
Mr Odinga told the BBC's The World Today that Senator Obama's father was his maternal uncle.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7176683.stm
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From Atlas Shrugs:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/kenyas_killing_fields/index.html
"...this hasn't even gotten into the relationship between Obama and Raila Odinga, yet another politician who ran on the 'hope & change' theme while utilizing criminal ties, who would then stage a violent and bloody uprising when national elections didn't go his way. Somehow we don't hear much about the nightly phone calls between Sen. Obama and Raila Odinga these days..."
Kenya's first truly free and fair democratic election was in December 2002, won by Mwai Kibaki and a multi-ethnic coalition party NARC (National Rainbow Coalition). One of the leaders of that coalition was Raila Odinga.
Kibaki didn't give him positions in the new government that he felt were important enough, so Odinga formed an opposition party, ODM (Orange Democratic Movement, orange the symbol color of opposition).
When Raila Odinga lost the presidential election last week (12/27) to Mwai Kibaki, he claimed the vote was rigged, whereupon his tribal followers went on murderous rampages such as in the town of Eldoret, where on New Years Day dozens of people were burned to death in a church set on fire.
Throughout Kenya, hundreds of people have been politically murdered in the last few days.
Kenya's 37 million people are divided up into over three dozen tribes and sub-tribes, but the two dominant ones are Kikuyu and Luo. Kenyan politics since independence in 1963 has essentially been a duke-out between them.
The father of Kenyan independence and president until 1978 was Jomo Kenyatta, a Kikuyu. His main political opponent was Oginga Odinga, known as "OO," a Luo and Raila's father.
While Kenyatta was pro-West and sided with America in the Cold War, OO [Oginga Odinga, Raila's father] was a Communist who was aided and supported by the Soviet Union.
That's why Raila went to school in East Germany (born in 1945, he graduated from Magdeburg University in 1970), and named his first-born son after Fidel Castro.
Thus it likely won't shock you to learn that Raila has now made a deal for support from the Soviets' successors as world-champion enemies of the West and democratic freedoms: Moslem fundamentalists.
The Evangelical Alliance of Kenya has posted on its website a photograph copy of a Memorandum of Understanding, dated and signed on August 29, 2007, between Raila Odinga and Shiekh Abdullah Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum of Kenya.
It pledges the support of Kenyan Moslems for Raila's election. In return, as President of Kenya, Raila agrees to 14 actions, listed a) through n) on page two. Read them all, and be sure you're sitting down. Here's a sample:
b) Within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions.
c) With immediate effect dismiss the Commissioner of Police who has allowed himself to be used by heathens and Zionists to oppress the Kenyan Muslim community.
g) Within one year facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters. [Note: everywhere in Kenya, not just in "Muslim declared regions."]
Again, read all of them, for others are just as bad or worse.
It may also not surprise you that Raila is not Moslem himself, but claims to be a practicing Anglican. Only a minority of Luo are Moslem (most are Christian). Kenya on the whole is Christian, with 80% of Kenyans either Protestant or Roman Catholic, while only 10% are Moslem.
And here is the biggest non-surprise: Raila Odinga has, in his own words, a "close personal friendship" with Barrack Hussein Obama Junior.
When Obama went to Kenya in August of 2006, he was hosted by Raila and spoke in praise of him at rallies in Nairobi:
Much more at:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/kenyas_killing_fields/index.html
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MUST SEE VIDEO OF OBAMA IN KENYA CAMPAIGNING FOR MARXIST THUG/"COUSIN" ODINGA!!!
2 minute version:
"Barack Obama and Raila Odinga -- Did the Illinois senator violate the Logan Act in campaigning for his 'genocidist' cousin's bid for the Kenyan presidency?"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1P_P8lBCsE
8 minute version:
"Barack Obama & Raila Odinga"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ&feature=related
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I agree, and most everyone here will too.
But by and large the general public doesn’t care much about Africa. I don’t see how this can be packaged effectively foe the voters, in 3 weeks.
- Obama chose to spent more time (6 days) in Kenya campaigning for his 'cousin" Odinga than he spent fact-finding in Iraq and Afghanistan
True. The main question though is this, will that resonate with independents? Sure, it would make any Conservative and/or core Republican (there is a slight difference) angry due to Obama's lack of priority, but would the average voter really care. Let's be un-PC here ...during GW's first term I was doing grassroot campaigning for him in college, and most people did not even give a darn about most things political. I wonder what the real impact of this would be to the average voter.
- Obama chose to support a candidate who was an avowed Communist
Odinga is a populist, and not only that but his family has historical roots in communism (starting with his father, Oginga Odinga, and going back decades during a time when Kenya's educated elite were either being flown to the US and the UK for higher education, with a small splinter going to the then Soviet Union. Odinga's dad stems from the Soviet side). Raila Odinga even names his son after Fidel Castro. However, Odinga is a populist rather than a communist (as his father was). He has a vast array of businesses, and is actually quite capitalist ....he simply uses populism as a crutch to garner votes (something virtually every politician in Kenya does). Even small-time mayoral elections and council positions normally have people handing out small sums of money to the rabble. It seems like a sticky accusation at first, but it could easily be shot down if the Obama camp ever needed to.
- Obama chose to support a candidate who backed imposition of Sharia law in a country that was over 80% Christian
This was a major bone of contention in Kenya just before the elections, when leaked documents were released showing that Odinga had signed a secret manifesto with several key Muslim leaders (under an Islamic organization called SUPKEM, which is the supreme council of Kenyan muslims). It caused a great deal of hue and cry due to, as you mentioned, Kenya being primarily Christian, and it was all over the major papers as well as on local blogs. It was a veritable powder keg. The problem with the argument is that a couple of weeks before the election the leaked documents were found to be forgeries from a political opponent.
- Obama chose to support a candidate (Odinga) who supported minority Islamists who opposed the Kenya's support of the War on Terror
I don't have any information on this one, one way or another.
- Obama chose to support a candidate who brought violence when he wasn't elected, torchig over 800 Christian churches and killing over 500 people.
The election in Kenya was seriously flawed, with both contenders (the incumbent Mwai Kibaki and of course Raila Odinga) both garnering very close tallies. Unlike the US system, the Kenyan system is solely via popular vote. In my opinion Kibaki won (although it should be noted that I supported him since I believe he was more pro-business than Raila ...under Kibaki Kenya was growing by 6-7%), however it is clear that the win was not by a large margin. Add to this the great number of irregularities that arose during the election. For one, Kibaki's people rigged the election in some areas, which caused furor in Odinga's camp. In the same vein, Odinga's people ALSO rigged the election in certain areas, which showed that both sides were stuffing ballots (it was funny when one side would accuse the other of rigging when the tally of certain areas was over 100% of registered voters, and then in the next few hours you realize that the side ACCUSING also has areas that have more votes than voters). It was a major mess. Which is where the problem began ...Raila's supporters refused to accept defeat, and Raila did not try to calm the tension (infact he threw fuel into the fire by calling for mass action, knowing very well what that would lead to). A section of this supporters used that 'mass protest' to wreak havoc on anyone suspected to have voted for Kibaki, and (coupled with some simmering land dispute issues where some Raila supporters in the Rift Valley felt that Kibaki supporters should not live there) that led to violence and killing. However, there was no targeting of churches because they were churches. There was one big case of a church being burned, but it was set ablaze by members of a tribe that largely supported Raila's party in the Rift Valley because a group of people belonging to a tribe that largely supported Kibaki had taken refuge. Both groups were Christian. A week after that, in another area where the numbers were reversed, a small group of Raila supporters were burned inside a house by a group of Kibaki supporters as an act of blind and stupid retribution. It really had nothing to do with Islam. Your numbers are also note completely correct: More than 500 people died (over a thousand), and in the same vein 800 churches were not burned (if they were that would be basically every major, minor and local church in Kenya, including the really tiny home churches).
- Obama chose to give advice to Odinga on all aspects of his political campaign and continues a close relationship today.
This appears to be true. I cannot say how close the advice was (I was not privy to it), but it is fact that they talked before the campaign, and during the violence Raila claimed to have spoken to Obama on the phone. That is all I know.
THIS IS A KILLER ISSUE (NO PUN INTENDED), THERE ARE SEVERAL VIDEOS OUT THERE TO PASS AROUND. THIS SHOULD BE RELOEASED BEFORE THE DEBATE.
Well, I actually disagree. I think the issue is important, and it should be raised (every thing counts), but it is not what most FReepers take it to be for several reasons. For one, I doubt it will have the level of resonance with the average voter that some think it will. Secondly, the connection has been blown out of proportion (not that it is not there, it is just that every two weeks the story takes another dimension ....e.g. the figure you reported of 800 churches being burned. It is like a hunter seeing a lynx in an area that was 'not supposed' to have any predators, and in a week or so the story is that a cougar was spotted). Thirdly, and most importantly, I believe this election will be framed by the economy. It is important for McCain to hammer other points (e.g. this, as well as things like Ayers, ACORN, etc etc etc), but that is icing on the cake. The meal is the economy.
Anyways, just my thoughts on actually having being here. During the crisis I posted a couple of long posts on the crisis, and heaped blame on both Kibaki and Odinga for letting things get to where they were. True leaders would have put country first. As I said, I supported Kibaki for several reasons, and did not support Odinga for several reasons. However, a lot of the points being raised between the connection between Obama and Odinga could very easily blow up in the face of McCain if he blindly rushes into them without checking proper facts first (and by fact checking I do not mean reading a book or riffling through blogs ....McCain's team can do very thorough research easily, and there are very many REAL papers written by a number of human rights societies on what happened in Kenya).
Anyways, there is some mileage that can be got out of that, but I think too many people are putting too much water on this. It will not change the election by itself ....McCain needs to frame himself on the economy. Maybe Palin can follow up on the other issues (Ayers, this, ACORN). However the answer to the question 'Where's the beef' is simple ....it is the economy.
We’ve been hearing about this for two weeks on these threads. It’s not gaining any traction outside of the conservative web sites. The media is protectiong there Messiah. Nothing will ever come of this. It’s just another Obama misdeed that will go unchecked.
