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The Difference Between 1993 and 2009 (Obama's Plan Raises Taxes)
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Posted on 10/13/2008 12:22:25 AM PDT by Fred

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1 posted on 10/13/2008 12:22:25 AM PDT by Fred
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The whole Obama tax scheme aside, there is another painfull suprize on the very near horizon that is going to threaten every home owner, even those with paid off houses , living on fixed income. The houseing boom shot the prices of houses up, and in most areas, those prices are still up and around those values, with maybe a 2-5% decrease in value over the last few months. Now, most peoples houses are still worth double and triple what they were 5 years ago, except for those who bought in the last 2-3 years.

The "suprize" is many- MOST communities have not yet, or are now just starting to re-assess property taxes, and these drastic increases in value are going to double and triple peoples property tax bills, not to mention school taxes which are includedand are based on property values.

People who are now barely paying the bills and property taxes are going to be in for a big suprise over the next year or so.

For a lot of people, having to cough up 5-10,000 more at what ever time of year their municipality issues property tax bills will be beyond their means.

2 posted on 10/13/2008 12:34:34 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: rabscuttle385

The stupid Sarbanes Oxley legislation has been bad too. In 2007 not one IPO was made. Not one!

We are killing the goose that lays the golden egg.


3 posted on 10/13/2008 12:42:06 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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Good heavens, what state do you live in?? Taxes in Arizona on a $200K house are about $1500 per year, tops. California can be about the same depending on when you bought the house (last sale price is used to calculate taxes, which are still pretty low).


4 posted on 10/13/2008 12:43:57 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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1500? LOL I was paying about $2500 20 years ago, for a 950 sq ft, two bedroom home in the burbs. We sold that place for $84K in ‘89.

As property values have increased around here, the mill rates have gone down. Even though we pay an outrageous rate compared to most other places in the country, tax increases have always been slow & steady. Unless taxing authorities jump the amount that they spend, increasing home values shouldn't increase the bottom line on property taxes.

5 posted on 10/13/2008 1:15:39 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Fred

It annoys me when people say that after all the fuss, Clinton was not so bad. Well as bad as Clinton was and he was bad, he did not hate America. That alone should show that people are in a lot worse situation with Obama.


6 posted on 10/13/2008 1:17:28 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Fred
Ah, but what's the similarities between 1933 and 2009? That's the real question...
7 posted on 10/13/2008 1:22:23 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
Toledo , OH $1500 a year on $68,000 house. City income tax of about 2.5% and the state income tax is 3 - 6 %. One of the highest utility rates in the country. The unions blame NAFTA and Bush... ha.

If it was not for family reasons I would be in TX right now. I would make a lot more there as a RN and save at least $10,000 in taxes a year. Maybe in four years but if Obama wins ( I don't think he will) I my not have a job here as a RN, no patients on job. Business and people are leaving here in droves.

8 posted on 10/13/2008 1:39:25 AM PDT by Total Package (TOLEDO, OHIO THE MRSA INFECTION IN THE STATE and the death of freedom)
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To: Nathan Zachary
People who are now barely paying the bills and property taxes are going to be in for a big surprise over the next year or so.

I remember reading about this happening in central Indiana last year. Many fixed income homeowners had to sell out.

9 posted on 10/13/2008 4:09:52 AM PDT by IamConservative (On 11/4, remember 9/11...)
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To: Total Package

In Ridgefield, CT, the average house is above $500,000 and the property tax on such a house would be about $8,000 per year.


10 posted on 10/13/2008 4:31:05 AM PDT by Koblenz (The Dem Platform, condensed: 1. Tax and Spend. 2. Cut and Run. 3. Man on Man)
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what a bum....and people still get taken in by this shyster...


11 posted on 10/13/2008 5:01:12 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Nathan Zachary
Now, most peoples houses are still worth double and triple what they were 5 years ago

Not here. Built house in 2000, could maybe get what I have i it today.

12 posted on 10/13/2008 5:10:53 AM PDT by CA_soon_gone
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To: Total Package

Yeah I got out of Ohio 25 yrs ago when Kucinich took Cleveland into bankruptcy.
Sadly my home state is becoming a junior version of Michigan.


13 posted on 10/13/2008 6:10:50 AM PDT by nascarnation
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There is something that is consitently missing in response to OBama’s plan to tax (punish) companies that send jobs “over seas.”

1)Companies don’t pay taxes. Taxes become a cost of doing business and raise the price of products and services. The tax burden trickles down to the consumer. WE pay the taxes.

2) The reason businesses relocate over seas is not primarily because of cheap labor. The market all companies want to compete it is the US. There is a lot of costs that are necessary to ship parts for assembly and ship products back to the US. The US is unfriendly to businesses in the TAX BURDEN department. TAXES create huge liabilities and require vast amounts of overhead in accounting and legal departments to legally follow the rules. The liability is significantly less overseas.

Raising taxes on big business drives up incentives to relocate overseas. But I don’t hear anyone making this case in the campaign.


14 posted on 10/13/2008 6:22:41 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Democrats are for Change - Let's run through a mine field at night wearing clown shoes!)
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To: Total Package
We don't pay property taxes here in many rural areas of Alaska; unorganized borough; not all that much government or beurocracy either. Most communities have one guy who owns most the town's businesses and keeps his employees on the council; and most the people like it that way overall.

Whenever the state wants to pave or do road constuction; everybody comes out against it, as they know soon after even the state repubs will want taxes for all their investment.

It works out pretty well actually if you are the kind of person who doesn't expect or want much from the govt. I have a 2400 sq ft cabin. I'd hate to think about what they'd soak me for in taxes if we had any.

No taxes, no regulation, law enforcement, extensive govt employees & services, comprehensive planning, ect ect. Alot more freedom the whole way around.

15 posted on 10/13/2008 6:27:23 AM PDT by Eska
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There is something that is consitently missing in response to OBama’s plan to tax (punish) companies that send jobs “over seas.”

1)Companies don’t pay taxes. Taxes become a cost of doing business and raise the price of products and services. The tax burden trickles down to the consumer. WE pay the taxes.

2) The reason businesses relocate over seas is not primarily because of cheap labor. The market all companies want to compete it is the US. There is a lot of costs that are necessary to ship parts for assembly and ship products back to the US. The US is unfriendly to businesses in the TAX BURDEN department. TAXES create huge liabilities and require vast amounts of overhead in accounting and legal departments to legally follow the rules. The liability is significantly less overseas.

Raising taxes on big business drives up incentives to relocate overseas. But I don’t hear anyone making this case in the campaign.


16 posted on 10/13/2008 6:27:37 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Democrats are for Change - Let's run through a mine field at night wearing clown shoes!)
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To: Fred
This paragragh deserves repeating:

We are no longer the low-tax beacon of the major industrialized world. Numerous countries in Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Asia and elsewhere now have lower capital gains taxes than the U.S. The same goes for top marginal income tax rates, where Albania is at 10%, Estonia 13% and Russia 17%, just to mention a few. Here in the U.S., the current top rate is 36% for Federal, and if you live in NYC or California, you probably pay very close to 50% all-in. Our 15% long-term capital gains tax can't compete with the 0% rates in many other countries, but don't forget that many capital gains taxes aren't long-term, at which point you will pay 36% or higher.

The effect of the current high-tax policies is becoming an increasing disaster. There has been no employment growth in places such as Silicon Valley in the last decade, because U.S. companies are choosing to locate more employees in lower-tax areas such as China, India and Eastern Europe. Have you noticed the lack of IPOs in the U.S. this year?

17 posted on 10/13/2008 6:27:47 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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Obama doesn’t have a clue about economic development. Remember, he accomplished zilch as a community agitator other than advancing his own career. If the loons control all 3 branches, we’re screwed.


18 posted on 10/13/2008 6:27:52 AM PDT by Harry Wurzbach (Rep. Thaddeus McCotter is my hero.)
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To: Fred

Obama doesn’t have a clue about economic development. Remember, he accomplished zilch as a community agitator other than advancing his own career. If the loons control all 3 branches, we’re screwed.


19 posted on 10/13/2008 6:28:42 AM PDT by Harry Wurzbach (Rep. Thaddeus McCotter is my hero.)
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To: Total Package
We don't pay property taxes here in many rural areas of Alaska; unorganized borough; not all that much government or beurocracy either. Most communities have one guy who owns most the town's businesses and keeps his employees on the council; and most the people like it that way overall.

Whenever the state wants to pave or do road constuction; everybody comes out against it, as they know soon after even the state repubs will want taxes for all their investment.

It works out pretty well actually if you are the kind of person who doesn't expect or want much from the govt. I have a 2400 sq ft cabin. I'd hate to think about what they'd soak me for in taxes if we had any.

No taxes, no regulation, law enforcement, extensive govt employees & services, comprehensive planning, ect ect. Alot more freedom the whole way around.

20 posted on 10/13/2008 6:28:50 AM PDT by Eska
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