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WRONG FOR THE RIGHT (McCain Blew It for Conservatives)
NY Post ^ | October 12, 2008 | DAVID FREDDOSO

Posted on 10/12/2008 6:21:16 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

To the degree that they are engaged in this election, conservatives are motivated entirely by fear of Obama and what he will do as president when backed by a solidly liberal Democratic House and Senate. They are not driven by love of the Republican candidate, and it shows in the anger present at McCain campaign rallies. Most conservatives will probably vote for McCain, but they also realize they are far less likely to persuade others, and they feel a disaster coming. The enthusiasm the Right felt during the 2004 election, which had been framed as a true ideological clash between Left and Right, simply does not exist this time around.

McCain's abrupt embrace of a big-government solution to the mortgage crisis during last week's debate places an exclamation point upon his many apostasies from conservative thought. Never a believer in supply-side economics, McCain had denounced the tax cuts of 2001. His push for campaign finance reform, for carbon emission restrictions, for federal regulation of boxing, and his long-standing defense of the Death Tax prior to this election have always made his agreements with conservatives on other issues appear to be accidental overlaps rather than a sign of common philosophical belief.

What would have happened if Republicans had nominated a conservative this time around? Conservatives must consider the possibility that things would look just as bad as they do now. The Bush presidency, by its mere association with conservative ideas, has ruined many of Republicans' best issues, creating an overwhelming headwind for any Republican running this year.

But a true conservative might also have shown voters an alternative rather than someone who incites "I agree with John" in the debates; someone to put Obama's left-wing policies in stark relief.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; conservatives; conservativevote; freddoso; headinsandmccainiacs; itstheeconomystupid; mcbama; mccain; mccaintruthfile; mcqueeg; obama; obamacons; palin
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To: amishman

You are exactly right.

And why did the economy hurt McCain’s campaign so much? (I’m not of the camp that he is done for yet.)

Because of the old myth that “Rats are better on the economy. Republicans are for the rich, Rats are for the little guy.”

And what do these whiners help establish even further in the public’s mind, thus passing this political canard down to the next generation? That Rats are better on the economy blh blah blah.

Thus helping to perpetuate the lethal effect of this lie in American politics.


101 posted on 10/12/2008 9:23:49 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right: You never win by losing!)
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To: word_warrior_bob

“Losers” is accurate on so many levels.


102 posted on 10/12/2008 9:24:23 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right: You never win by losing!)
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To: jd777

Not one penny of the $700B “rescue” package has been spent yet. Not one purchase of toxic paper has been made. The law has been passed and TPTB, including the G-7, are still laying the groundwork for how to proceed in an orderly, coherent way.

Thank God we have a representative republic and not ignorant mob rule.


103 posted on 10/12/2008 9:29:09 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right: You never win by losing!)
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To: jd777; SolidWood
He had his chance! Clear as Day! When Obama and Pelosi (and bush ) proposed the bailout...

You are so right!

The solution to the mortgage triggered crisis was never a govt. intervention in the market. No matter what we are going into a hard recession. It could be hard and short or long and chronic. We are going to get the latter.

If bambi wins with his plans to punish the rich and big business don't expect an expansion any time soon. So in addition to making the recession long and chronic with bambi it will be deeper.

McCain still has a chance, but he's got to stop being nice to bambi.

104 posted on 10/12/2008 9:29:34 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: TADSLOS

What does all that matter now?

You’re sitting here whining about how the first three quarters of the game was played while we should all be focused on the two-minute drill.


105 posted on 10/12/2008 9:31:19 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right: You never win by losing!)
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To: ColdWater

If there were a million people who can’t recognize a simple nod to civil discourse and fact-based public debate, and who don’t realize how the MSM was going to use such questions to trump up charges of “inciting violence” against our side, there are a lot of truly stupid people out there.


106 posted on 10/12/2008 9:33:10 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right: You never win by losing!)
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To: jd777

Don’t let the facts get in your way.


107 posted on 10/12/2008 9:35:14 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right: You never win by losing!)
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To: lonestar
The only good I see coming out of the election is we got to know Sarah Palin--a breath of fresh air!

And the need for CLOSED primaries!

108 posted on 10/12/2008 9:36:31 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: fightinJAG
If there were a million people who can’t recognize a simple nod to civil discourse and fact-based public debate, and who don’t realize how the MSM was going to use such questions to trump up charges of “inciting violence” against our side, there are a lot of truly stupid people out there.

You have been suckered by the MSM.

McCain:

Specifically: "I have to tell you he is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States". This seemed to deflate some in the audience, and McCain was even booed for defending his opponent, but McCain explained in sensitive tones that Obama would be a fine president, but that he's running against Obama because of course, as a Republican, he thinks he'd be a much better one.

109 posted on 10/12/2008 9:38:47 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: fightinJAG; jd777
Not only that, if you think a credit crisis that has been winding into a ball for about 8 years now is going to unraveled overnight, that's ignorant.

Actually you're wrong. Commercial lending and inter bank lending is now the problem. Even though the govt. has assured all the banks that it will resolve the mortgage backed problem the banks are not lending unless the business is very strong and they are not lending to each other because they are building their capital reserves.

It really isn't hard to see that this would happen regardless of how much money the govt. would throw at the problem. Banks are getting out of the secondary mortgage market and soon they will be pulling back on credit cards and student loans. As the bubble deflates individuals and businesses with great credit will not have a problem getting loans, but those that have anything questionable in their credit won't.

110 posted on 10/12/2008 9:56:43 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: mysterio; bamahead; BarnacleCenturion
National primary day next time. The race was over by the time I got to vote. I vote for smaller, less intrusive government, and that’s all I vote for.

Same here too. By the time Virginia's primary came up, almost all the candidates had dropped out.

That said, I voted for the small-government Republican in the primary.

111 posted on 10/12/2008 10:33:28 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle '08 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia '08)
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To: TADSLOS; MaggieCarta; jddqr; indylindy; roamer_1; calcowgirl; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; ...

McCain was, is and never will be a conservative. His disdain for conservatives and conservatism is in front of everyone's face yet the unbridled fear of Obama masks it.

BUMP!!!


112 posted on 10/12/2008 10:36:09 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle '08 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia '08)
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To: fightinJAG; SolidWood; MaggieCarta; jddqr; indylindy; roamer_1; calcowgirl; djsherin; ...
They are so busy trying to tackle our own quarterback to the ground in the last minutes of the game...

Tackling the quarterback is necessary because he keeps passing to the wrong team.

113 posted on 10/12/2008 10:38:31 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle '08 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia '08)
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To: FocusNexus; MaggieCarta; jddqr; indylindy; roamer_1; calcowgirl; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; ...

Quite a few anti-McCain articles, vanities are showing up and there is an anti-McCain ping list that is still going.

These are the real OBAMACONS, helping Obama, all in the name of conservatism. Disgusting.

You called?

Why is it that you have no problem with electing a "maverick" yet, when a conservative starts acting like a "maverick" you take total offense?

The Juan McCain Truth File.

"I have great respect for Al Gore."
—John McCain, October 2, 2008

FR Keywords: mccaintruthfile, mcqueeg, mcbama

Please tag all relevant threads with the aforementioned keywords.

This can be a very high-volume ping list at times.

To join the ping list:
FReepmail rabscuttle385 with the subject line add  mccaintruthfile.
(Stop getting pings by sending the subject line drop mccaintruthfile.)


Republican Commissar’s Warning: By joining this ping list, you may be subjected to the delusional rants and ramblings of McCainiacs, of "moderate" Republicans, of pragmatic conservatives resigned to voting for the lesser of two Democrats, and of countless GOP shills who simply want to meet a new overlord.

114 posted on 10/12/2008 10:40:40 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle '08 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia '08)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority; bamahead
McCain's socialist leanings and his Republican primary success are not the disease. They are simply the symptoms of the disease.

Bump

115 posted on 10/12/2008 10:41:46 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle '08 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia '08)
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To: FocusNexus
One hopes that conservatives will refuse to become the Democrats’ “useful idiots”.

McCain the "maverick" is the Democrats' useful idiot.

116 posted on 10/12/2008 10:42:30 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle '08 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia '08)
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To: rabscuttle385
Tackling the quarterback is necessary because he keeps passing to the wrong team.

Or for running the opposite direction on the playing field.

117 posted on 10/12/2008 10:56:16 AM PDT by Ron H. (October 3, 2008 - the day we morphed into the 'United Socialist States of America')
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To: RetiredArmy

Yep.


118 posted on 10/12/2008 10:56:38 AM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: rabscuttle385; fightinJAG; SolidWood; MaggieCarta; jddqr; indylindy; roamer_1; calcowgirl; ...

McCain is a collaborator.


119 posted on 10/12/2008 11:25:58 AM PDT by Checkers (Voting for McCain? Then don't complain. (Hey, that rhymes.))
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To: FocusNexus

“These are the real OBAMACONS, helping Obama, all in the name of conservatism. Disgusting.”

The real Obamacons voted for McCain in the Promaries.


120 posted on 10/12/2008 11:28:05 AM PDT by Checkers (Voting for McCain? Then don't complain. (Hey, that rhymes.))
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