Posted on 10/06/2008 5:15:11 AM PDT by Reaganesque
Thank you for that story. I pray every day that more liberals and progressives see the truth. We are in trouble in this country when someone the likes of Obama is on the threshold of the presidency.
The "conversion story" that politically awoke me: Radical Son - David Horowitz
Horowitz was nearly as radical and leftist as Ayers, as nearly as I can tell. His conversion is well worth the read.
Whatever floats your boat. We need all the help we can get. But also bear in mind that conservative values do more for the Zionist cause than liberal values.
The only line I think that matters:
“NPR: National Palestinian Radio.”
This ‘born-again conservative’ is more driven by Zionism than American patriotism.
Mamet wrote a long article where NPR takes just one paragraph. It was enough for you to accuse him.
I don't know what he thinks. I don't know what you think. I can read what he wrote and what you wrote. You made an accusation that has no base in this article. I interpret his NPR disillusionment as a logical steppingstone in his "growing up", one of many, and a correct one, btw. You interpreted that as the single most important part of his conversion to conservatism.
I'd like to know what gave you information to conclude that his American patriotism is second to his Zionism. ?
> Anyone else who has similar conversion stories, please post them here <
Too many to post — including my own and the stories of other folks I know!
But in all seriousness, I’d never trust anybody who converts instaneously from “complete leftist” to conservative (or libertarian) all in one fell swoop. That kind of behavior borders on the insane.
In my opinion, a sincere and sane person is always going to make a gradual political change. So a great dis-service is done by those posters who would criticize Mamet for his still having one “imperfection” or another.
As Lao-tze said,
“A journey of 10,000 miles begins with one step.”
Or to flip the famous Menshevik slogan, “No enemies on the right!”
I take exception to his premise that American conservatism and Zionism are interchangeable.
Mamet, himself, references his:
1. economic theory.
2. Some strained comparison of Presidents Bush and Kennedy.
3. Yelling at NPR for their perceived Pro-Palestinian bent.
The first is evidence of a conservative mind, the last two are evidence of a confused mind.
Strange that you would conclude a double standard with no evidence.
Are you saying double loyalty is okay on the part of Jews but no one else? Perhaps there is some projection in play here.
"...for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" - Romans 3:2
and
"But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." - Romans 5:8
It may contain how he "honestly feels" but it still contains a lot of false presumptions.
Until he overcomes the false presumptions, he is still a liberal.
His book, Radical Son, is an accurate portrayal of that time.
HUMAN NATURE translates to “competition”. When I try to make the sale, I am interested in furthering MY fortune by getting the commission from my rival. The football team striving for victory is doing it at the expense of the rival eleven. You translate this into ACTUAL PHYSICAL INJURY.
That is NOT the point of either the article OR what I wrote. MY self-interest may force me to “harm” the self interest of my rival——not his health or well being.
This reminded me of this quote...
All men seek happiness. This is without exception. Whatever different means they employ, they all tend to this end. The cause of some going to war, and of others avoiding it, is the same desire in both, attended with different views. The will never takes the least step but to this object. This is the motive of every action of every man, even of those who hang themselves. (Pascal’s Pensées, thought #425, edited by Trotter, 113). - Blaise Pascal
I woulda never figured Mamet to go right.
He always seemed one of the worst typical Hollywood leftist guys who continually trot out stilted entertainment to their liking.....
ironically his Jewishness which usually at least in Hollywood lends itself to promoting anti-pluralist leftism is what nudged him
his fear for Israel.
granted it does reek a bit of ‘well, worrying about Israel’s future is more important to me than my former propensity to destroy America”
but I’ll take it
we need all the help out there we can get
he has a handsome wife though..
PS:...he also pit fights...pretty John Wayne for a 60 year old
Mamet described his journey to conservatism, many different aspects of it. NPR pro-Palestinian stance was only one thing his eyes became open to.
You, not me, not Mamet, singled it out as the most important fact. You, Natchez Hawk, wrote about Mamet that This ‘born-again conservative’ is more driven by Zionism than American patriotism. Out of the whole article you said The only line I think that matters: “NPR: National Palestinian Radio.” You read his long article, and that was the only thing worth your comment.
You, ladyjane, agreed with that assessment. So true, you said. And you commented on nothing else at all.
Mamet revisited many of his previously cherished views. The article is, as I and others pointed out, long. He dumped on us lots of stuff, both emotions and his thinking, sometimes deep, sometimes not. While he is trying to paint a larger, philosophical picture, he is, IMHO, still confused on good number of issues. But instead of welcoming him in, you accused him in double loyalty. He calls NPR: National Palestinian Radio. Vast majority of freepers, as far as I've seen, do the same (on that rare occasions when NPR is still discussed over here). You leap from here to conclude that he puts Zionism (he never mentions it, btw, only that he is a Jew going against the grain in his liberal congregation) above American patriotism. Nothing else is in this, did I mention it - long article?- examining his believes why and how people live their lives, a fundamental approach to life, nothing else at all was important?
And its amazing that you see nothing wrong in doing so. Who is projecting here?
ya’ll beat me to it and said it much more concisely than my meandering
i read about this months ago in of all places Vanity Fair or maybe Vogue (wife’s)
I dunno, you tell us Tolik.
A very interesting piece. Mamet obviously still suffers from Bush Derangement Syndrome, but at least he’s beginning to get at some of the real issues. Interesting that he likes Thomas Sowell so much.
We were riding along and listening to NPR. I felt my facial muscles tightening, and the words beginning to form in my mind: Shut the fuck up.
He's still got a long way to go, but the longest journey begins with a single step.
I noticed the same thing. It's too funny that the author still buys the lies. There is hope for him though.
or as unreadable as a pat buchanan column......
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