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Frank talk of Obama and race in Virginia
LA Times ^ | Oct 5, 2008 | Peter Wallsten

Posted on 10/05/2008 7:14:35 AM PDT by pennboricua

WHITEWOOD, VA. -- The isolated towns of Virginia's Appalachian coal region are home to strong labor unions and Democratic political machines that date back generations. Yet voters here who eagerly pushed Democrats into the Senate and the governor's office are resisting Barack Obama.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2008; appalachianvote; appalacia; banglist; bitter; coal; mccain; obama; ruralvote; smalltown; va2008
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To: MSF BU

Guys, relax on this voter fraud philly stuff.

Kerry came out of Philly with a 4 to 1 advantage and only got the state by 140k ish votes, and that was with everything and the kitchen sink working in this state for him. Gore did the same thing and won by 205k votes.

Fauxbama does not have everything and the kitchen sink behind him... The state machine is only doing token efforts because Rendell’s in the bag for Hillary, and Fauxbama doesn’t have the blue collar support. I see no way Fauxbama takes PA.


61 posted on 10/06/2008 7:00:29 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: pennboricua

Which even makes the polls that show Obama winning that state even more suspect. Thanks LA Slimes for accidently stepping into the truth about the Drive By Media polls.


62 posted on 10/06/2008 7:03:54 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: The South Texan

The polls are jokes at this point... the idea that either candidate on their worst or best day would win or lose PA by 15 points like the Qunnipac poll or whatever had for PA last week, is beyond any sort of credibility, the one that listed it 7 points a few days earlier from another outfit was just as laughable.


63 posted on 10/06/2008 8:09:21 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
...less than a month we’ll know where things are, but I truthfully saw no calculus that lead to a Fauxbama victory during the primaries, and I still see none now.

The calculus pointing the way to an Obama win right now is the stock market and the public perception of the economy. Look at how the swings in the polls mirror the swings in the economic situation. The Obama surge in the polls tracks the tanking of the stock market. McCain is taking the hit because the public perceives his is the party "in power" and is somehow responsible for the economy (never mind the 'Rat-led Congress). Obama benefits from misery (which is always the case with Marxists).

64 posted on 10/06/2008 8:17:09 AM PDT by chimera
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To: gracesdad

I don’t think so, there were some major rumours flying around about him and some local Roanoke weathermen a few years ago.


65 posted on 10/06/2008 3:55:25 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: gracesdad

I don’t know, maybe the fact that he is in one of the most conservative districts in the nation. That might have something to do with it. Someone will beat him sooner or later.


66 posted on 10/06/2008 4:00:39 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: pennboricua

Lets’ have some frank talk about Obama and Odinga.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ

How about Obama openly campaigning for his communist cousin Odinga who signed a pact with Muslims to enact Sharia Law if elected and started riots when he lost. Obama campaigned for an openly Anti-American candidate in a foreign country in 2006 at taxpayer expense.


67 posted on 10/06/2008 4:15:59 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: TwS88

I have long believed that some polls are simply skewed so as to discourage people from voting for a particular candidate. If you can convince someone that their vote is in vain, you are half-way to convincing that person not to vote. I tune out polls and do my duty. Paying to much attention to poll numbers is a road to madness, anyway.


68 posted on 10/06/2008 6:40:27 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours.)
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To: HamiltonJay

Is that the case? Is Redell’s lack of enthusiasm really that evident. I’m concerned that this time there will actually be enthusiasm for Obama in Philadelphia, as opposed to Kerry who was just going through the motions.


69 posted on 10/06/2008 7:42:19 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: MSF BU

Yes, its that evident. Rendell spent a year doing nothing but campaigning for Hillary, I mean literally was not doing anything else for a year. Word is, he was promised a cabinet post by Hillary in exchange, he stated many times in the primaries that Fauxbama was a poor candidate.. now he only gives him token almost back handed “support” similar to what you hear out of Hillary and Bubba’s mouths when they are “supporting” him.

Fauxbama goes down in 08, Hillary is the 12 nominee, and Rendell will make sure that he does his part to ensure this.

I am sure there is enthusiasm in Philly, but its not by the people Fauxbama MUST win to take the state. He’s got more support from the blacks and the kids, but that’s really it.. hes down everywhere else, and he can’t win the state with that.

This is the state that polled Even during the primaries and hillary spanked him by 9 points... This is the state where union leaders told Hillary if she wanted their support she had to PROMISE not to put Fauxbama on the ticket! Now those same leaders are trying to sell him, they don’t believe in him and their members aren’t buying him.

He’s got problems on the ground in PA, make no mistake about it folks. THis is the weakest democratic candidate as far as PA is concerned that I have seen since moving here. The support just isn’t there. And its not just PA, the problems are across the rust/coal belt.

No one can predict the future, obviously, but I see NOTHING on the ground that remotely makes me believe that Fauxbama can pull of a win here, none.

Obviously the financial crisis certainly doesn’t help things, and could change things, but I just don’t see it. PA is a major hunting, pro life and blue collar state, we love God, Life and Guns, and we don’t take kindly to fancy talkers who’ve never gotten a fingernail dirty or done anything of relevance telling us we’re bitter because we believe in those things.

Fauxbama certainly will win Philly region, any dem will, but Kerry got that region 4 to 1, and only won by 140k votes when the rest of the state voted.. I don’t see Fauxbama coming out of that region with those sorts of numbers, or holding on.

I feel the most confortable I’ve felt in a presidential election in a long time in PA. Now I could wake up with egg on my face, its happened before... but not once in this cycle have I doubted that PA is lost to the dems.. once Fauxbama was the nominee this state was done for them. Hillary would have carried it and probably reversed the long standing trend to republican voting some.. Fauxbama... no way.


70 posted on 10/06/2008 10:47:53 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

Re: your post 70—from your lips to God’s ear.

What you say makes a lot of sense to me.

FWIW, I am in southern Delaware. On my cul-de-sac there are seven homes.

Five have McCain-Palin signs, including mine.

Am I blessed, or what?!!


71 posted on 10/06/2008 10:58:09 PM PDT by exit82 (The only person that could get me to vote for John McCain is Sarah Palin -God bless her)
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To: HamiltonJay

Thanks for the most thorough reply I’ve received on this forum. I hope you’re right.


72 posted on 10/07/2008 4:20:38 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: The South Texan
Which even makes the polls that show Obama winning that state even more suspect. Thanks LA Slimes for accidently stepping into the truth about the Drive By Media polls.

But those polls are also incredibly dangerous. They're creating a strong perception that Obama is going to win.

Given those perceptions, if he doesn't win things are going to get ... ugly.
73 posted on 10/07/2008 4:39:20 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Betty Jane
Not 1 in 5 dems here are going to vote for Obama, but he’s winning VA by 10. I call BS.

Any reports from NOVA. I live between DC and Richmond. I drove through a neighborhood yesterday known to be populated by older FDR-type democrats.

Three signs for McCain-Palin. Zero signs for O'Biden

I was recently rushing my words trying to say Obama-Biden, and out came O'Biden. Works for me!

We did have a big turn out at Mary Washington University. The event was supposed to start at 05:15. I saw the entourage bus and motorcade come off of I-95 at 06:45. We had a downpour of rain, so folks were outside, wet and miserable.

I have not heard one word locally from attendees since the event. Some hype in the local paper. Not sure if people went because they were for O'Biden, or just wanting to be part of the event.

74 posted on 10/07/2008 4:51:39 AM PDT by Dustoff45 (A non-posting Freeper produces far fewer spelling errors)
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To: Dustoff45
Any reports from NOVA.

I live along the Northern end of the Fairfax County corridor. Lots of Obama bin Biden signs, bumperstickers, buttons worn by people on the Metro, etc. McCain/Palin stickers and signs are becoming more prevelent, but are probably still outnumbered 10 to 1. Mark Warner and Judy Feder signs are at the saturation level. Especially Feder ... but since she's got the tougher race in trying to evict Wolf, that's not surprising.

HOWEVER, I did notice two of my neighbors had their McCain/Palin signs trashed a week or so back. Given that kind of behaviour by the peace-loving, tolerant, open-minded Left, it's probably not surprising that people up here are keeping their support for McCain/Palin in the closet.
75 posted on 10/07/2008 5:14:49 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: ClayinVA

“I don’t know, maybe the fact that he is in one of the most conservative districts in the nation. “

The Fightin’ Ninth is hardly one of the most conservative districts in the nation. Traditional, yes. But Boucher’s serving his 13th term and is very well liked there. I suspect the seat is his as long as he wants it.


76 posted on 10/07/2008 6:14:36 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: tanknetter

McCain signs are stolen as soon as they are put up in some areas, but that’s every election. Political discourse is only allowed if you are a democrat opposing a republican, come on you know that.

My wife and I got our signs yesterday and as I put it in the yard, I asked her how long do you think it’ll last? We both think under a week. Fauxbama supporters already had ripped out the ones on public land within hours of them being posted.

It just comes with the territory.


77 posted on 10/07/2008 6:55:19 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: tanknetter
people up here are keeping their support for McCain/Palin in the closet

Thats why I have taken to flying this flag in front of my house.


78 posted on 10/07/2008 9:52:01 AM PDT by Dustoff45 (A non-posting Freeper produces far fewer spelling errors)
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To: Dustoff45
Thats why I have taken to flying this flag in front of my house.

Oh, but I LIKE that idea.

I have a model of a 3rd FW F-15C with the "AK" tailcodes and Big Dipper emblem on the inside of the tails. I think it needs to go into my office and sit on my desk for the next month ...
79 posted on 10/07/2008 12:24:22 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
I have a model of a 3rd FW F-15C with the "AK" tailcodes and Big Dipper emblem on the inside of the tails. I think it needs to go into my office and sit on my desk for the next month ...

Instead of McCain-Palin signs that turn folks off, we promote Alaska visuals and themes, and in turn take opportunities to educate on the values of Gov. Palin.

I was a member of the Aero Club and was on base at Elmendorf where those F-15s were based.

Situated just a few miles north of downtown Anchorage, residents could watch arriving flights of four, come right down the runway at altitude east-bound, then one by one break left toward downwind into long trail for landing.

I was there again this summer, and it was just like when I first saw it 25 years ago.

That F-15 is one enduring airframe.


80 posted on 10/07/2008 2:11:40 PM PDT by Dustoff45 (A non-posting Freeper produces far fewer spelling errors)
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