Posted on 10/04/2008 9:16:33 AM PDT by Amityschild
The man suing Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee for proof of Obama's American citizenship is outraged that his own party – rather than just providing the birth certificate he seeks – would step in to silence him by filing a motion to dismiss his lawsuit.
As WND reported, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court two months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be elected president. Berg has since challenged Obama publicly that if the candidate will simply produce authorized proof of citizenship, he'll drop the suit.
Berg told WND the longer the DNC tries to ignore his lawsuit or make it go away – instead of just providing the documents – the more convinced he is that his accusations are correct.
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Says who?
One possibility is that McCain’s bipartisianship would induce some elector/states to give him the presidency and leave Biden as VP.
Possibility? Beyond the realm of possibility you mean.
And how did they meet these requirements?
There are legal procedures in place for proving citizenship if there is a need to do so.
And what is the procedure in this case? What law outlines it?
No rules are being changed and the actual rule, that a president must be a natural born citizen to qualify, will not be WAIVED for Zero as so many have been.
Obama maintains that he is a natural born U.S. citizen, and nothing you've come up with proves otherwise.
Electoral votes can be given only to candidates who are eligible for the Presidency. Any other votes are null and void as per the Constitution.
As to what a Democrat party caught in a fraud of gigantic proportions would do is unknown to you or I.
There were no questions about the citizenship of prior presidents. So they met the requirement by being people whose past was well known. They did not have to prove they were human either but that doesn’t mean a LIZARD can be president because no other species had to prove they were human.There need be no special procedure to prove one a citizen to satisfy the Constitution demands for the Presidency. A simple valid Birth certificate does it. Not a problem for one who HAS one.I have not said that Zero is not a citizen merely expressed great wonder that he has responded with a fraudulent document. He didn’t ignore the question he LIED. That means nothing to you?
He ‘does not follow’, literally.
If there need be no procedure then how about the same method the other candidates used? Obama said he was born in Hawaii, so accept it at face value. You don't think he was? Prove it.
He didn’t ignore the question he LIED. That means nothing to you?
If you get upset every time a politician lies to you then you must lead a sad and disappointed life.
And where does it say that?
Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama was born: August 4, 1961 (1961-08-04) (age 47) Honolulu, Hawaii, U.S.A. He was what the illegal aliens call “anchor babies.” He was a dual citizen, as his father was a citizen of Nyang’oma Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya. [My daughter was a dual citizen of Britain and America because she was born in Scotland to an American Citizen living abroad, and a British citizen. She normally would have been a dual citizen until age 18, but since she moved to the US and did not return within the legal required period, she lost her dual-citizenship. Even though she was the daughter of a British citizen, she could no longer claim dual citizenship.] He emigrated to Indonesia when he was 5, and did not return until several years later, bringing his actual citizenship into question, because he spent the majority of his youth outside the country.
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at (or after) the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
One cannot be eligible, therefore cannot receive votes, if not a natural born citizen.
That would be incorrect since one of his parents was a U.S. citizen.
He emigrated to Indonesia when he was 5, and did not return until several years later, bringing his actual citizenship into question, because he spent the majority of his youth outside the country.
That would be incorrect, too. For people born in the U.S., citizenship is a birthright and cannot not be given up for you. You must do that yourself. Even had Obama's mother gotten Indonesian citizenship for him, for him to lose his U.S. citizenship he would have had to perform an expatriating act once he became an adult. And rather than spending the majority of his youth outside the U.S. he only spent 4 years - 1967 to 1971 - living abroad.
One cannot be eligible, therefore cannot receive votes, if not a natural born citizen.
And if Obama was born in Hawaii then he is a natural born U.S. citizen and Constitutionally qualified to be president.
The lawsuit is to prove he is eligible by obtaining a valid document from Hawaii. That is easily accomplished if shuch a document exists.
So why has he lied about it and committed fraud by posting a fraudulent document? It was a conscious act.
There is only one answer to this other than sheer incompetence. Any eligible candidate challenged as to citizenship would just show the birth certificate rather than obscure, deny, and resort to legal pettifoggery. Hence, the evidence that no such document exist grows.
Lying to ontain a federal document is a felony.
You’re arguing like the Neo-Confederates.
Votes for any not consitutionally eligible would not be valid or counted. They are forbidden by the nature of the Constitutional stipulation of prerequesites. Votes must go to eligible candidates to be valid. Otherwise you could have the situation where an ineligible person is put in the Office contrary to the Constitution. Without an amendment this is impossible.
Says who?
Votes must go to eligible candidates to be valid. Otherwise you could have the situation where an ineligible person is put in the Office contrary to the Constitution.
Complete nonsense. Nothing in the Constitution requires that. The Electoral College can elect anyone it wants. If the entire electoral college voted for Micky Mouse for President then Micky Mouse would be the winner. But of course Micky Mouse could not become president since he does not meet the requirements. So the presidential secession laws would kick in.
It is no different than the 2000 Missouri Senate election. Mel Carnahan, the Democratic challenger, was killed in a plane crash less than 4 weeks before the election. Due to state election laws his name could not be removed from the ballot. Come election day a dead Carnahan beat a live Ashcroft by almost 50,000 votes. In your scenario all those votes should have been disqualified and Ashcroft the loser named the winner. But instead the wished of the majority of the voters were respected and Carnahan was certified as the winner. Since Carnahan couldn't serve, being dead and all, the seat was declared vacant and the process for filling it kicked in; the governor named a replacement and a special election was held two years later. It would be the same with Obama. If he gets a majority of the electoral votes and is declared ineligible the day after the election, those votes would almost certainly remain in his name. Then the 20th Amendment would kick in and he would be replaced, probably by Biden. In any case the loser would not magically become the winner.
No the Electoral College cannot elect anyone it wants. It can ONLY elect qualified candidates. Maybe you have the US Constitution confused with the DNC wish list.
Missouri Senatoral shenannigans have nothing to do with a Presidential race. There is no Electoral College with Senatoral races.
Obama could be elected while dead but not if he does not mmet Constitutional requirements. You are not reading the 20th amendment correctly.
News Update:
RUSH IS DISCUSSING THE Mysterious BIRTH CERTIFICATE issue right now.
Kenya, Berg, granny, dual-citizenship, etc. all mentioned.
Cats out of the bag.........
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