Why do you insist on continuing to post cut-up, jumbled, and therefore misleading, representations of my posts?
Are you hoping that people who haven’t read my actual posts (or who just don’t remember them) will see what you posted and think I actually wrote those words in that order?
It’s dishonest and manipulative posting, and it shows an unwillingness to treat me and this forum with respect.
Please try to be more respectful and . . . yes, moral . . . tpanther. We all would appreciate it.
As for the moral uprightness of China and France, I’m not expert enough in their cultures to say much about them.
Hey, we all have issues with China’s government and many of their practices. However, I would not condemn the Chinese people as immoral. And, considering China’s powerful position on the world’s stage, I don’t think it is accurate to call it a failed nation. The same goes for France, though I have fewer qualms with their government.
But really, this whole discussion of France and China is somewhat tangential to the issues here.
Religion has been a dominant institution throughout the world for a very long time, and it is only quite recently that secular institutions have even attempted to replace them. So, when we look back throughout history, we see many failing nations, most of them religious.
Yes, we have also seen frightening atheistic nations, communist and fascist nations, though I think they were terrible because of their fascism and corruption, and not their atheism.
We have also seen the USA and France set examples as powerful, forward-thinking nations able to erect a boundary between church and state. We are only beginning to see what a rational, democratic and capitalistic atheistic society could look like.
That is why I say that there is not enough evidence to conclude that all atheistic societies are doomed to failure and/or immorality.
Why do you insist on continuing to post cut-up, jumbled, and therefore misleading, representations of my posts?
I have no idea why you're so defensive, nor do I care, but I've very consistently pasted your very words, nothing jumbled or misleading about it! Unless one of course sees your message this way in the first place!
You've been asked several times, and not just by me, to give examples of atheistic societies either moral or successful as you have asserted and yet the only two instances I can see you've listed are China and France. No thinking (and yes moral) person could see either country in either light. China shows financial success with no freedoms and consistently poor human rights. France is plagued with terror within it's borders due to secular humanism allowing it's subsequent moral vacuum to be filled with militant Islam.
Are you hoping that people who haven’t read my actual posts (or who just don’t remember them) will see what you posted and think I actually wrote those words in that order?
I pasted your words! and I don't know what order has to do with anything, they're either moral societies or they are not!...indeed your words ARE still there for all to see! Therefore I don't NEED to hope for anything.
It’s dishonest and manipulative posting, and it shows an unwillingness to treat me and this forum with respect.
Please try to be more respectful and . . . yes, moral . . . tpanther. We all would appreciate it.
SPARE me the feigned indignation and projections! If you can't coherently make your argument, then I would suggest not making it in the first place.
It's best for the both of us to just move on.