Why do you insist on continuing to post cut-up, jumbled, and therefore misleading, representations of my posts?
I have no idea why you're so defensive, nor do I care, but I've very consistently pasted your very words, nothing jumbled or misleading about it! Unless one of course sees your message this way in the first place!
You've been asked several times, and not just by me, to give examples of atheistic societies either moral or successful as you have asserted and yet the only two instances I can see you've listed are China and France. No thinking (and yes moral) person could see either country in either light. China shows financial success with no freedoms and consistently poor human rights. France is plagued with terror within it's borders due to secular humanism allowing it's subsequent moral vacuum to be filled with militant Islam.
Are you hoping that people who haven’t read my actual posts (or who just don’t remember them) will see what you posted and think I actually wrote those words in that order?
I pasted your words! and I don't know what order has to do with anything, they're either moral societies or they are not!...indeed your words ARE still there for all to see! Therefore I don't NEED to hope for anything.
It’s dishonest and manipulative posting, and it shows an unwillingness to treat me and this forum with respect.
Please try to be more respectful and . . . yes, moral . . . tpanther. We all would appreciate it.
SPARE me the feigned indignation and projections! If you can't coherently make your argument, then I would suggest not making it in the first place.
It's best for the both of us to just move on.
If you look at the history of this discussion, you will see that I brought up France and China specifically as an answer to the following question, asked by metmom:
“Failure of *some* atheistic nations? Which atheistic nations have not failed?”
I did not provide those as examples of morally upright communities. Yet, by rearranging my words as you have, you make it look like I did. That is dishonest, irresponsible, and immoral.
I have not made any pronouncements about France and China’s morality or lack thereof.
Your continuing failure to misunderstand and misrepresent this fact, which I have explained more than once now, forces me to conclude that there is no point in trying to engage you in a constructive discussion here.