Posted on 10/03/2008 11:51:00 PM PDT by pissant
Sad to say but short of a civil war we are now mostly a socialist/Marxist country.
***We did seem to cross some kind of line in that direction this week and in this election cycle. I grieve for the ongoing loss of this great republic.
Then you allow that Hunter had one, which contradicts that CNN link that you posted.
Basically, what I said at post #9 was that he should not have been excluded from the debates from that point onward. Your factoid confirms that.
What I’ve been saying is that they all should have been counted. Hunter should have been allowed in the debates.
The difference is that Thompson did it on purpose.
***The only time I got suspended from FR was for saying something much less incendiary than that.
Yep....... Reality is a bitch isn’t it. Some are accepted and others are rejected. The rejects have work to do.
Yes, bump that about reality. Thanks for admitting that you are part of the problem rather than the eventual solution.
He had a single delegate to the Wyoming STATE convention, not a delegate to the National convention. He had NO (aka, ZERO, 0, ZIP) pledged delegates. And, as you see by the totals, he had NO delegates at the national convention.
Similarly, you could say the same or better about everyone who was invited to the debate.
Basically, what I said at post #9 was that he should not have been excluded from the debates from that point onward. Your factoid confirms that.
Perhaps that's what you said "basically"...but what you actually said was [bold added for emphasis]:
Third, recall that Hunter was the only candidate in US History to ever get NOT Invited to a series of debates when he had delegates (voters actually voted for him) to his name whereas several of the ones who were invited had no delegates to their name....which is just not true. The "several of the ones who were invited" did not have no delegates to their name
I don't disagree with wishing he were included, but to claim that the others had no delegates is just plain wrong. Does Duncan Hunter need falsehoods told to support him? If support of him requires false accusations, is he really that strong a candidate?
Agreed, though it would have helped if he'd done a good job in the debates to which he was invited.
He did fine.
My Intrade analysis showed he won one of them. The last Intrade analysis was real interesting...
Intrade Analysis: Palin wins Debate, Even in the Face of Blatant Manipulation Attempt
Intrade ^ | October 3, 2008 | Intrade
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2097178/posts
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 8:03:49 PM by Kevmo
Perhaps that’s what you said “basically”...but what you actually said was [bold added for emphasis]:
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...which is just not true. ...
Does Duncan Hunter need falsehoods told to support him? If support of him requires false accusations, is he really that strong a candidate?
***OK, if what I wrote was factually wrong then I retract it. DH needs no falsehoods, this would just be an error on my part. That is how I recollected it at the time and I’m glad to be corrected. I admit I do not understand the difference you point out here, so I’ll have to chase it down some other time. Note that some of the other posters on this thread said that he got 3 delegates. That’s exactly how I remembered it — he won 4, 1 was taken away after a recount. So I’d ask for their help in gathering the right information, just so I’m clear on what the situation was.
:-)
The American primary-election systems are quite nutty!
Can we agree that it would be a good thing for America if during the time prior to next Presidential election cycle, Duncan Hunter learns how to better engage the American electorate and get them fired up to support true conservatism, regardless? :-)
Reality is that a few are accepted and many are rejected.
Not another useless vanity by a newbie...... I KEED, I KEED, bump and well done.
We’d be voting for a Hunter/McCain or Hunter/fill_in_the_blank ticket if Fred had not stepped in, so I’ll decline answering your question.
Based on some crap I’ve been put through on a non-FR site, I know exactly what you mean.
Yelp, Bob Barr's got my vote.
I just walked away. I understood you just fine. ;)
I beg to differ! If I had the time or the inclination I would gladly dissect his record. Then again, I would probably be banned for speaking out against the selected one.
In other words, you have no argument. Buzz off, preferably back to "MyBarackObama" where you belong.
Okay, here you go! I don't care how long you have been here, you are rude and vile. It is posts like yours that have led FR down the wrong path. No wonder it is taking more than a month to reach the FReepathon's goal these days. If I get banned, I guess it is no big loss any more.
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McCain/Lieberman = Climate Stewardship Act , Kyoto lite energy restrictions
McCain/Feingold/Thompson = Attack on First Amendment
McCain/Kennedy = Death to America via Reconquista
McCain-Kennedy-Edwards = Profits plaintiffs and trial lawyers, Patients' Bill of Rights
McCain-Re-importation of Drugs = puts the safety of patients at risk by counterfeit drugs
Gang of 14 = screw judges and the President’s right to choose.
Taxes = Voted NO on Pres. Bush’s tax cuts using socialist, class-warfare rhetoric
Pro-life = Avg 60%, pro-embryonic stem cell research, Repubs for Choice endorsement
ACU = in the 60% range the past few years, lifetime 82%
Energy Independence = No to drilling in ANWR
Stand up guy = Keating 5,
RKBA = GOA: D-- http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm
2.22.08 a liberal gun grabber: http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin430.htm
Defense = Terrorist Bill of Rights, Waterboarding, Gitmo, public attack on Rummy
POW/MIA = Sold out 100s for a lucrative beer deal & land deal for bud Jon Effin
Supports the International Criminal Court
Armed KLA = http://blog.barofintegrity.us/2008/02/14/john-mccain-armed-kosovo-islamic-terrorists.aspx
McCain Bill = a comprehensive approach to tobacco control
http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/July98/070898c.htm (July 1998)
Juan Hernandez = Hispanic outreach director who served on Pres. Fox cabinet in Mexico
Rick Davis = Campaign Mgr, lobbyist linked to Verizon, SBC Telcom, Russia+meeting
Charles Black Jr = Chief Pol Adv, lobbyist to AT&T, Alcoa, JPMorgan and U.S. Airways
Steve Schmidt = Sr. Adv. Lobbied Land O' Lakes, UST Public Affairs, Dell, Fannie Mae
Mark McKinnon = Sr. Adv. Lobbied for above and won’t do ad against Obma
Warren Rudman = general campaign manager gave us Souder (told RR he was conserv)
McCain has at least 59 federal lobbyists raising money for his campaign
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1974864/posts
Soros funded = Reform Inst, Repub Mainstreet Partnership, Centrist Coalition
When Republican Senator Jim Jeffords became an Independent, throwing control of the Senate to Democrats, McCain defended him against "self-appointed enforcers of party loyalty."
As chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, McCain was consistently hostile to American enterprise, from media and pharmaceutical companies to technology and energy companies.
McCain used his chairmanship of the powerful Senate Commerce Committee to take on the tobacco industry in 1998, proposing legislation that would increase cigarette taxes in order to fund anti-smoking campaigns and reduce the number of teenage smokers, increase research money on health studies, and help states pay for smoking-related health care costs. The industry spent some $40–50 million in national advertising in response; while McCain's bill had the support of the Clinton administration and many public health groups, most Republican senators opposed it, stating it would create an unwieldy new bureaucracy. The bill failed to gain cloture twice and was seen as a bad political defeat for McCain.
He and Democratic Senator Joe Lieberman wrote the legislation that created the 9/11 Commission, while he and Democratic Senator Fritz Hollings co-sponsored the Aviation and Transportation Security Act that federalized airport security under what became the Transportation Security Administration.
In May 2003, McCain voted against the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, the second round of Bush tax cuts which served to extend and accelerate the first (which he had also voted against), saying it was unwise at a time of war.
His voting record during the 107th Congress, from January 2001 through November 2002, placed him as the sixth most liberal Republican senator
Here is a part of a list put together by SoConPubbie
Fiscal Issues:
1. Socialist Approach to Economics I.: Supports Windfall Profit Tax
2. Socialist Approach to Economics II.: Will Regulate CEO Pay
3. Socialist Approach to Economics III.: Wants to bail out sub-prime losers (many of which are either illegal aliens or lied on their applications) with US tax money.
4. Socialist Approach to Economics IV.: Wants to implement a socialist Health Care proposal that includes providing tax-coffer monies (your tax dollars) to the states to provide Health Care Insurance for those who either refuse to pay for it, or are unable to afford it (mostly illegal aliens).
5. Socialist Approach to Economics V.: Thinks and states that Pharmaceutical companies are evil
6. Voted against President Bush’s tax cuts (called them tax-cuts for the rich)
7. Voted against repealing the death tax.
8. John McCain's Top 10 Class-Warfare Arguments Against Tax Cuts
9. Total support for global warming scam, including the Carbon Cap-and-Trade system.
Judges:
1. Gang of Fourteen (Kept some of President Bush’s best judges from being presented for a vote)
2. McCain tells Clinton supporters they should back him because he voted for Ginsberg and Breyer
Legislation Fathered by McCain:
1. McCain-Fiengold (Assault on Free Speech, Gun Groups and Pro-Life Groups)
2. McCain-Kennedy (Amnesty for criminal Illegal Aliens)
3. McCain-Lieberman (50 cents a gallon gas tax)
4. McCain-Edwards-Kennedy (Many Democrat inspired bad rules included in this monstrosity)
Gun-Rights - 2nd Amendment Issues:
1. F grade from Gun-Owners of America.
2. C grade from NRA.
3. 2000/11/20 - McCain participates in the production of a gun control spot for Oregon's Proposition Five. (Circa this date, prior to the November election.)
4. 2001/05/15 - McCain introduces the Gun Show Loophole bill S890, with Carper, Lieberman, DeWine, Clinton, and Schumer co/sponsoring.
General All-Around Unreliability on Conservative and GOP issues:
1. 65% score from American Conservative Union in 2006
2. Flirted with the idea of crossing over to the Dems in 2004.
3. Refuses to drill in ANWR.
4. Has accepted funding from Soros and Teresa Heinz-Kerry for his institute
5. "I think the Democrat Party is a fine and I have no problems with it, in their views and philosophy"
6. Missed 60.8 % of all votes. Most of any Senate Member [NOTE: now at 64.1%]
7. The list of shame: John McCain's votes against the GOP and conservatism in general.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/votes/against-party/
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