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2 October, 2008 | joanie-f

Posted on 10/02/2008 7:14:02 AM PDT by joanie-f

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To: Dead Corpse
This is "taxation without representation" writ large. This unConstitutional tax bill and transfer of power are the final death knell for the Republic IMO.

Bears (sad, drumbeat) repeating.

Thank you for your lucid voice.

~ joanie

41 posted on 10/02/2008 8:19:06 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f

The financial mess is a symptom, not the disease. And hardly anyone seems to even recognize that fact. Even here.


42 posted on 10/02/2008 8:23:41 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Because she thinks states' rights trump unalienable rights, I'm anti-Sarah Palin. Live with it.)
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To: Dr. Marten

Thanks, he’s one of the good one and I figured he was. Believe only a couple Hoosier reps went bad.
I just want him to be able to produce—if he wants—a print-out of e-mails opposed a few feet tall.


43 posted on 10/02/2008 8:25:28 AM PDT by tumblindice (A republic, if you can keep it)
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To: hiredhand
Thank you so much for the .pdf!

I have been talking to people about the Community Reinvestment Act a lot for the past couple of weeks. This is by far the best resource I have seen to educate people about it. I have it saved, and intend to use it liberally!

We need to put a real and lasting fear into our representatives. They need to understand that IF they support this atrocity, there will be repercussions. We will make it our sole goal in life to see them change careers.

Would that all Americans shared your 20/20 vision, and your passion!

~ joanie

44 posted on 10/02/2008 8:31:42 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: joanie-f
Even if not passing legislation results in Depression-like economic conditions, we will have at least avoided the implementation of major portions of the socialist agenda (which are never reversible)...

The bailout may or may not prevent "Depression-Like" conditions. The votes, last evening, of Senators Tom Coburn and Bill Nelson demonstrated how confused the matter has become. A Conservative for and a Liberal against the Dodd Amendment...

In spite of what is done or not done, however, "Depression-like" conditions- should they result- will certainly bring about the implementation of a new era of Socialist meddling in our lives. That was the case in the throws of the last depression; and it would be in another, as well.
45 posted on 10/02/2008 8:31:52 AM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: joanie-f
Fear is a huge motivating factor in this problem. We can use it to our advantage. If we think for a moment that our legislators aren't in fear for one reason or another, we're fooling ourselves. The object is to cause them to fear us more than anything else.


46 posted on 10/02/2008 8:34:28 AM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: joanie-f
Exactly Joanie! We have to all keep hammering at it. The truth is coming out and lets work our hearts out and pray that the House Repubs and a fair share of the house dems will vote this one down too!

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS DIRECTLY TIED TO THE FINANCIAL CRISIS

NOW WE KNOW WHAT A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER DOES



I'M VOTING FOR SARAH

47 posted on 10/02/2008 8:55:53 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: EternalVigilance

Government is a disease masquerading as it’s own cure...


48 posted on 10/02/2008 9:12:23 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: joanie-f
Thank you so much for the .pdf! I have been talking to people about the Community Reinvestment Act a lot for the past couple of weeks. This is by far the best resource I have seen to educate people about it. I have it saved, and intend to use it liberally!

I'm glad that it has been a help! Please feel free to attach it to e-mail, or link to the notes themselves.

It's vitally important that people arm themselves with this information!
49 posted on 10/02/2008 10:00:32 AM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: joanie-f

>I think calling is much more effective, with the main reason being the one you just illustrated. From what I hear, it’s much easier to get through by phone.<

joanie-f, I have made many calls to various Reps and Senators over the past two weeks. Yes, it is the more effective means of getting our message across. May I suggest that you call and encourage other to do so also.


50 posted on 10/02/2008 10:03:56 AM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that wants to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: Dr. Marten

Send in a tea bag or just the tag off the bag. A better idea might be to make a post card out of the front of the box and send it in.


51 posted on 10/02/2008 10:08:04 AM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that wants to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: joanie-f; Squantos; NFHale; Gilbo_3
I just called my Congressman's office and spoke to one of his very nice assistants. I spoke to her last week and had time to actually chat a little then. This time was DIFFERENT! In the few minutes I had her on the phone this time, she apologized THREE times and put me on hold in order to pick up other calls.

She told me that they're barely able to keep up with the call volume and that the overwhelming majority of callers are telling them

NO BAILOUT!

I'm going to guess that the scene is the same at every Representative's office right now. The U.S. House of Representatives website has been slow/unresponsive all morning as well.

If they don't shoot this BAD IDEA down, they will KNOW that they have violated the will of the American people, and things will NOT fare well with them afterwards!
52 posted on 10/02/2008 10:43:25 AM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: joanie-f

My take on the bailout bill:

I think dems took advantage of this mess - the timing of the “crisis” was suspect to say the least. The financial problems have been building for a long time and easily could have been triggered a month ago, or 6 months ago. Paulson’s trip to Bush to get Bush to scream “fire” in a crowded theater pulled that trigger now. (not to mix metaphores or anything...) I suspect that if Obama wins, Paulson will be brought into his administration.

Paulson’s smart enough to know what’s going on - and he’s smart enough to know the effect this would have on the election. He also could have alerted Bush to this a year ago. It’s that old a situation.

I live in Florida - one of the places where toxic loans were made with abandon. Most of us here knew something bad was happening. People were being put into homes with “interest only” loans who would not be able to make payments past the first few months. It was a set up. But when you keep seeing the same pattern, there’s an incentive behind it. And that’s where Obama, Frannie and Freddie and congressional banking regulations come into play.

In short, like you - this does not have the feel of being an accident.

If the bailout is passed, it will benefit the people and agencies who got us into this mess. The only way it would work is if they are lying to us about the severity of the “crisis” I think that’s a possibility. If that’s NOT one of their lies, the bailout will postpone the problem. Postpone it to a time when we will have less money to do a real “bailout”.

Dem regulation insistence on making banks loans to people who never had a chance of making the payments was close to evil, but very effective in bringing down the financial system. Some people at the top understood the consequences of these choices. We’ll probably never know who they were...


53 posted on 10/02/2008 10:44:43 AM PDT by GOPJ (It's NOT a rescue, it's a BAILOUT.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Considering what government has become, you may be right.

But true government; government of, by and for the people; is not the problem.

The root of the problem is that our country, and most particularly our current political class, doesn't even understand why government even exists any more.

All Americans, if they care about the survival of this free republic, better get back to first principles - and act quickly - before it's too late.

Here's the starting point:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."

Here's step two:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Everyone we elect takes an oath to fulfill the above stated purpose of our Constitution.

It's time for us to DEMAND that they keep their oaths.

54 posted on 10/02/2008 10:58:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Because she thinks states' rights trump unalienable rights, I'm anti-Sarah Palin. Live with it.)
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To: Jeff Head
Thanks, Jeff.

And thanks, as always, for your tireless work to see that the right leadership succeeds in this election, from the Presidency through the House and the Senate.

~ joanie

55 posted on 10/02/2008 11:18:50 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: B4Ranch
May I suggest that you call and encourage other to do so also.

Been doing so since 9:00 this morning, with more calls yet to be made.

~ joanie

56 posted on 10/02/2008 11:20:44 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: tumblindice

Pence isn’t the problem. It’s the 470 or so other criminals who’ve been successfuly paid off.


57 posted on 10/02/2008 11:22:03 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Tired from wondering whether we wake up in the newest socialist country tomorrow.)
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To: tumblindice

Pence isn’t the problem. It’s the 470 or so other criminals who’ve been successfuly paid off.


58 posted on 10/02/2008 11:22:07 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Tired from wondering whether we wake up in the newest socialist country tomorrow.)
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To: hiredhand

Thanks for the news about the busy phone lines. We need to hope that the voters are expressing justifiable outrage, and that congress hasn’t become too arrogant to listen. I’m counting on the former, but not confident of the latter.

~ joanie


59 posted on 10/02/2008 11:23:20 AM PDT by joanie-f (If you believe that God is your co-pilot, it might be time to switch seats ...)
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To: JRochelle

“Bad as this bill is, the alternative is worse.”

What alternative is that? Is there a single coherent alternative? No. There are several. But they aren’t being considered by the new king of the financial universe, Hank Paulsen, Democrat.

His top priority is to buy back bad debt from foreign banks. This has not the slightest thing to with “helping homeowners”.


60 posted on 10/02/2008 11:27:19 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Tired from wondering whether we wake up in the newest socialist country tomorrow.)
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