Posted on 10/01/2008 6:15:45 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
McCain, Obama, Lieberman, and Biden have voted for the bailout. No word yet on Graham.
Yep, the “Maverick” followed the herd. I was very dissappointed last night.....
“CALM DOWN!!!!!!”
So, we should calm down about the passage of this bill, yet the banks and wall street needs the government hand outs in order to CALM DOWN.
I’m confused.....
It’s worse than you think:
Taxpaying group = Liability for 1 year amortization
Top 20% = $18,480
Fourth 20% = $7,770 (Hmmm, the 777 number hits again)
Third 20% = $4,935
Second 20% = $2,905
Bottom 20% = $910
Well, speaking for myself, Jesus Christ is my savior.
McCain is just a “floating device” until the next election when we prayfully get a true Conservative in office.
“This attitude is terribly selfish while we have 140K (+) troops engaged in a war....”
I agree. I was deeply saddenned by McCain’s vote last night, however I can not abandon our troops in Iraq. That one issue alone will bring me to the polls on 11/4.
Sorry to get all technical ‘n stuff, but....this strikes me as unconstitutional twice. 1) The bill itself is unconstitutional because the central government isn’t granted the power to do any of this stuff. And 2) it’s unconstitutional for a revenue bill to originate in the Senate.
Am I wrong?
McCain has allowed the Democrats to co-opt his entire domestic message. Watch it happen. He votes ‘aye’ on a pork-laden bailout package, with not so much as a whimper. So much for veto and naming names.
Now the package goes back to the House. If I were the Democrats, I simply would encourage the Demo side to complain long and loud about all the pork, how politics has no place when we are trying to save the economy, blah, blah. So, the Demo leadership cuts out most of the pork that they didn’t really need anyway. Et voilá, they are the ones who cut pork and watch after fiscal responsibility!
The package passes the House. Republicans who vote against are simply recalcitrant and don’t have the country first attitude. Look, we cut out all that pork.
Return to Senate. It passes by a much higher margin that before, because the pork is gone.
In one motion, McCain has lost his “maverick” title, lost his forceful ‘veto and name names’ campaign strategy, and fiscally marginalized the entire Republican party and conservative movement.
Imagine Sarah Palin making the “maverick” or anti-pork campaign claim in the debate tonight. The argument would be torn apart by Biden, and rightfully so.
There better be some more rabbits in the hat for the McCain campaign, because he is now hanging by a foreign policy thread. And if I were Obama, I would just say, “whoops, you’re right. Iraq is no longer an issue. As a matter of fact, after that, we don’t have many foreign policy differences of kind, just of degree.”
IMHO
We know it will pass the house, because, IMO, the democrats are using a "sticker shock" tactic to bring the republicans around in the House. Watch the lard melt off the bill as the Democrats decry the 'wasteful spending' attached by the Senate. After some judicious trimming, it will pass the House.
Now, it goes back to the Senate, where John McCain can vote "aye" without problem of conscience, because it is close to the original intent of the bill. I suspect that even most conservatives would have sympathized with him.
But he wasted it all with his "aye" vote on the original Senate abomination. I'm no politician, but I don't see how this could be so complicated for McCain. He threw away his entire domestic campaign strategy in one stupid vote.
Dear Senator McCain,
As a conservative Arizona voter, I held my nose and voted for you as my Senator in 2004. For that I was immediately repaid with the loss of judicial nominees during the "Gang of 14" deal that you made with liberal Democrats. For some reason, you seem to believe that the people of your state simply want you to "get things done," whether or not they are done right. I swore that I would never, ever vote for you again, even if it meant losing the White House.
Now we are involved in what I truly believe to be the struggle for our very existence as a free republic. Your nomination for president has been foisted upon me and the choice I have is to vote for enslavement to Socialism, or vote for you, who still seems to believe in just "getting things done," whether or not they will damage us as a free society.
Five weeks ago, you gave us Sarah Palin, and for the first time, I was actually excited about the prospect of voting for you. Paired with a true conservative, I could stomach the thought of your wishy-washy nature, your bizarre blow-ups, and your psychological need to be liked by the people I despise: liberal socialist Democrats. I could even put a yard sign up in front of my house, so I sent you a very small donation - smaller than I would have liked, but what I felt I could afford to spend on a Senator who has not always been there for conservatives.
But there are no yard signs to be had here in Arizona. I haven’t seen a single one during my drive to work, and this is your state. I didn't even receive a bumper sticker in the mail. I've been hearing the same thing from across the country. No signs. No stickers. Nothing. It's the same as you taking my money and then telling me to shove it. In five weeks' time you've managed to turn Sarah Palin into Mini-Mac rather than letting her be the true conservative that so excited your base. And now you have paired up once again with this, the most corrupt Democrat-led Senate in our country's fine history, and have helped shove us into a $700 billion bailout that has not only doubled our deficit and paid off corrupt officials at Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, but sent us teetering over the brink into Socialism. You have signed over this blank check to them with no assurances that it won’t happen again. No dismantling of those two rotten entities left standing. No promises to even hold those responsible who caused this meltdown.
But this bill is loaded with pork, that's for sure! And I will remember you as I'm cursing while I ride my bicycle to work.
Let me ask you sir, do you wish to win this election or not? Because right now you are serving as nothing more than a tool for the Leftists, and I am feeling like an utter fool for ever believing in you. There is a time to point fingers and a time to remain quiet. Now is not the time to be quiet. Your poll numbers are sliding and you continue to hold your ground - the wrong ground, I might add - like a stubborn old man.
You promised me five weeks ago that you would "name names." Senator, you have not named a single name this past week when you have been handed about ten of them on a silver platter. For that I have to believe that you are a liar. If you don't do it now, then you have no intention of ever naming a single name, of pointing out the outrageous amount of pork in this "bailout" bill, of ever standing up for our Constitution, of saving this country from a very real and present danger as we slide - or are pushed - into the black hole of Socialism. I truly fear that one day very soon I will wake up and to find that my country has turned into Venezuela.
I beg you to prove me wrong. Name the names, Senator McCain. Name them now.
Sincerely,
me Phoenix, AZ
I don’t disagree that he could have done this and I would have been cheering him on because I trust him to do the right thing (yes, even after all this). But would it have helped for him to have done it this way? Maybe, maybe not. It would have satisfied some in the short-term, until he did something else they didn't like, but it could have been spun in either direction by the media and dems, and that's a fact.
Part of the 448 pages you mentioned is a bill that had previously passed the Senate and was just waiting to be tucked into a package that was likely to get Congressional approval -- so he could have yelled about that, but to what end? It was a done deal long ago. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he wanted the previous measure to fail in Congress - and knowing that it stands a better chance while attached to something that has the spotlight on it, well, that’s good strategy on the Republican’s part, IMO.
Watch the lard melt off the bill as the Democrats decry the 'wasteful spending' attached by the Senate. After some judicious trimming, it will pass the House.
As far as the lard melting off, I’m very hopeful that this is the strategy, as I said above. But your point about the dems decrying the pork...please! Even if they put forth a good front for the taxpayer's benefit, is there anyone who would take them seriously!
In fact, quite the opposite is more likely to occur, as there are many dem members of Congress who voted no on the original bill because it didn't go far enough to hand out goodies to their constituents.
On the other hand, the majority of Republicans in Congress, who were opposed to the pork from the start, will do their best to cut it out, and regardless of how it pans out, they will have the approval of the people.
And in the meantime, the Senate Republicans had a chance to attach some tax cuts and other taxpayer protections that Congress may not have been able to accomplish, and without a lot of fuss from the dems because they have their previously-passed pork bill before Congress.
Now it’s on to the ones who hold the purse-strings, and I honestly believe when they get finished with it we’ll be very close to the plan that McCain and the House were trying to push from the git-go.
It's sad that there has to be so much maneuvering for these folks to get anything accomplished (so much for the panic to do it now). But when all is said and done, McCain wins this round in my eyes....and obama is exposed for the fool that he is, after all of his chest-pounding and politicizing of this boondoggle - especially with him taking full credit along the way and claiming ownership of any idea put forth. And then he announced triumphantly on the Senate floor that this was not the end of the matter, but the beginning.
Now, it goes back to the Senate, where John McCain can vote "aye" without problem of conscience, because it is close to the original intent of the bill. I suspect that even most conservatives would have sympathized with him.
But he wasted it all with his "aye" vote on the original Senate abomination. I'm no politician, but I don't see how this could be so complicated for McCain. He threw away his entire domestic campaign strategy in one stupid vote.
Apparently that's the sentiment of a lot of folks around here, but I won't be counted amongst you. Let's face facts, the dems were looking for a financial crisis in order to get onto the subject that everyone trusts them (although that boggles my mind).
Well they got their crisis, and every bit of it can be laid at their doorstep, beginning with Dodd and Frank - and ending with BHO himself. And they have the added bonus of cornering Mac regarding pork.
And now, with the fallout, he has obviously paid a heavy price for the good of the country...and I don’t think many realize the enormity of that fact, but he realized what would happen, yet did it anyway.
But let's not kid ourselves, he would have been called on it either way, and the MSM and dems would have been relentless in their attacks. As for throwing away his campaign strategy, I’ll just have to disagree, because he won me on the fact that he was cornered, recognized that fact, and he lived up to his campaign theme of “Country First.”
So if you feel that he’s wasted his campaign strategy with this, and that he didn’t consider and weigh all of his options - along with the potential fallout for each, then we’ll just have to disagree. He still has my support. If not enough folks feel that way, so be it.
Thanks for a dispassionate response. I am looking for someone to convince me that McCain has not thrown it all away. I hope you are right.
Somebody tell me why I should vote. Mac had the perfect opportunity to go on television and talk about earmarks on the failout and he caved.
The polls seem to be causing a lot of angst. Try to ignore them and whatever you do, don’t listen to Dick Morris.
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