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EMS Helicopter Crashes Blamed on War (Defcon 4 Barf Alert)
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Posted on 09/30/2008 2:28:23 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound

But because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, there is a shortage of the (night-vision) goggles. In the United States, the military gets first access to the goggles, and only a couple of companies manufacture the complex, and classified, equipment. Less than a third of about 800 EMS helicopters in the United States have night-vision technology. A lot more would like it, according to a survey of 382 active helicopter EMS pilots by the National EMS Pilots Association (NEMSPA).

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bravosierra; ems
It is unfortunate that these crashes are happening. But to blame America's military needs for them is beyond the pale.
1 posted on 09/30/2008 2:28:23 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

Wars provide excellent training and experience for helicopter pilots, many of whom go into private work later in life. I submit to you the argument that war actually helps because it provides the private sector with well-trained helicopter pilots. Without these pilots we would have fewer trained pilots for EMS work.


2 posted on 09/30/2008 2:31:37 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Retired Greyhound
When a flight for life helicopter crashes, (like most aircraft accidents) they were not following proper flight rules. I can understand the difficulty of landing in an unknown clearing at night, but that is why you need to rely on good people on the ground to direct you.
3 posted on 09/30/2008 2:33:57 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: Retired Greyhound

It has been proven that many of these flights are unnecessary.

Helicopter EMS - The Starbucks Effect
http://roguemedic.blogspot.com/2008/07/helicopter-ems-starbucks-effect.html


4 posted on 09/30/2008 2:36:15 PM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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When there's a will there's a way.
5 posted on 09/30/2008 2:39:36 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Retired Greyhound

BUSH’S FAULT!


6 posted on 09/30/2008 2:41:00 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

This is ridiculous. People can find anything on the Internet these days...

http://www.atncorp.com/NightVision/NightVisionBinocularsGoggles


7 posted on 09/30/2008 2:45:46 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: A.A. Cunningham
http://www.thenightvisionstore.com/night-vision-goggles/generation-3-night-vision-goggles/8618+8619+8626.cfm

I didn't have any problem finding some NVG’s either. The 4th Gen goggles are WAY more than those you found, but they sure look like current military NVG’s to me.

This was just one of 8 million hits on Google.

8 posted on 09/30/2008 2:47:27 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Retired Greyhound

I wonder if a more important factor wouldn’t be that most EMS fly single pilot and not always in the best weather. NVGs are great, but they aren’t a cure all.


9 posted on 09/30/2008 2:48:01 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Retired Greyhound

You are so right. I’m sure some believe George Bush is the cause. If you google medical transport crashes you’ll find most crashes involve one pilot. I would think two pilots on board would prevent more accidents than night vision goggles.


10 posted on 09/30/2008 2:50:14 PM PDT by Harley (Life is Tough, But It's a Lot Tougher When You're a Liberal.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Red Herring argument. Most EMS missions involve landing/takeoff in highly lighted urban areas where NVGs get washed out anyway- a dangerous condition to be in. EMS aircraft also cruise at higher altitudes where NVG effectiveness in picking up the ground is limited and frankly not needed, NVGs are used primarily to fly low level in low ambient light conditions. EMS aircraft simply don’t fly in those profiles most of the time. Besides there’s plenty of 2nd and 3rd Generation NVGs on the open market if you’re willing to cough up the cash for them.


11 posted on 09/30/2008 2:51:12 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Cure CINOism- Write in proven conservatives at all levels on the ballot)
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To: Retired Greyhound

“A man’s gotta’ know his limitations...”
- Clint Eastwood


12 posted on 09/30/2008 2:53:02 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: MikeWUSAF
It has been proven that many of these flights are unnecessary.

Roger that.

A couple months ago two choppers were called to a road near my home for a single vehicle accident. One party was class one and definitely needed the airlift, but since the second bird was already en route they had the chopper take the other patient as well who had a mangled foot, but not in acute distress.

Punchline number one: both were for-profit companies.

Punchline number two: the weather was very quesionable. IFR.

Punchline number three: the trauma center hospital was seven miles/ten minutes away by uncongested roads and an Interstate highway. Took longer to create a landing zone in a hay field than to "grab and go" by ambulance.

13 posted on 09/30/2008 2:58:21 PM PDT by lightman (Sarah Palin: A REAL woman, not an empty pantsuit!)
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To: USNBandit
Exactly. . .and NVG’s take away your depth perception-—a hazardous thing when flying at night.

That is why the military has a full check-out program when training with NVGs.

Just buying NVGs and then letting them fly without training would INCREASE the accident rate.

14 posted on 09/30/2008 3:22:29 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Retired Greyhound

Makes you wonder how they ever flew before the goggles?


15 posted on 09/30/2008 3:39:22 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: lightman

The cash price for an emergency helicopter lift often passes $15K. The insurance companies pay significantly less than the cash price but cash is not short in the airlift business.

This is a poorly researched article.


16 posted on 09/30/2008 4:10:56 PM PDT by Shanty Shaker
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