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I didn’t even think it was close on the radio. If 0 was doing all the annoying Gore-basmic stuff people on this thread are claiming, I’m not sure how anybody can think he won (I don’t put much faith in Frank Luntz, either.)

If 0 was doing all the annoying Gore-basmic stuff people on this thread are claiming, I’m not sure how anybody can think he won

He was and it made him look very childish.

This year, 2008, many Frank Luntz’s group are major Obama plants. There is NO WAY some of those partisan hacks are independent. Obama’s team follows this thread. Many pointed out Obama’s stuttering. Obama’s camp doesn't want the O's stuttering to become common knowledge to those that don't pay much attention until late Oct.

Obama’s camp is ruthless with propaganda. They saw the stuttering just like everyone here. Luntz’s group IS NOT INDEPENDENT and Luntz gave the majority of mic time to Obama supporters where they defended Obama's stuttering, and even had the gall to say McCain stuttered. Quite the opoosite...McCain is confident and knowledgeable which results in clear, concise statement. Obama, he stutters and says lots of "uh's" when nervous.

Luntz appeared much more objective in 2004. Like Obama’s own perspiration throughout tonight's debate, they are cognizant of Obama’s stuttering and perspiration.