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Lipstick Jungle (women in college)
Wall Street Journal ^ | September 26, 2008 | Ashley Samelson

Posted on 09/26/2008 12:06:05 PM PDT by reaganaut1

A few weeks ago, I helped my 18-year-old sister move into her freshman dorm at Hillsdale College in Michigan. I was anxious for her -- I worried that the female culture at her school would be similar to that at my own alma mater, Tufts University in Medford, Mass.

As a reserved evangelical from Colorado Springs, Colo., I was shocked by a lot of things at Tufts when I entered in the fall of 2003. What shocked me more than anything, however, was the way women treated other women. I regularly heard young women refer to each other using the most obscene and degrading insults. I observed females encouraging others to binge drink and then berating those who couldn't hold their liquor. At breakfast on the weekends, I often overheard young women discussing their shame after feeling pressured by their girlfriends to participate in a degrading activity, such as a lingerie-themed or "secretaries and bosses" party. One year, a sorority actually commanded its pledges to strip to their underwear and allow fraternity brothers to mark the physical flaws on their bodies with permanent ink.

Sara SchwartzContrary to the feminist narrative about men being responsible for the oppression of women, nearly every instance of female misery I encountered at Tufts seemed to be instigated initially by another woman. My junior year, a controversial joke about rape was published in the student humor journal while a woman was editor in chief.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: coeds; college; collegewomen; generationy; highereducation; hillsdale; tufts
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I wonder what Freepers think about when their kids should leave home. Since much of the culture is screwed up, I don't think I would mind if my kids lived with me for a few years after high school, either working or commuting to college. It appears that our home is a much more wholesome environment than some college dorms.
1 posted on 09/26/2008 12:06:08 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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“I observed females encouraging others to binge drink and then berating those who couldn’t hold their liquor. At breakfast on the weekends, I often overheard young women discussing their shame after feeling pressured by their girlfriends to participate in a degrading activity, such as a lingerie-themed or “secretaries and bosses” party. One year, a sorority actually commanded its pledges to strip to their underwear and allow fraternity brothers to mark the physical flaws on their bodies with permanent ink.”

Of course, times haven’t changed that much. Back when I attended college in the late 80s, early 90s, I was amazed how easy it was to...well, get a girl thanks to alcohol, parties and the girls’ desire to seem to want to out-slut their friends.

But now that I’m a father of a daughter, stories like this scare the crap out of me.


2 posted on 09/26/2008 12:10:24 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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Me, too.


3 posted on 09/26/2008 12:13:44 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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There is always the ‘assessment colleges’, Excelsior, Charter Oak and Thomas Edison. For some programs you need never attend a class. And the price is right.


4 posted on 09/26/2008 12:14:37 PM PDT by decimon
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strip to their underwear and allow fraternity brothers to mark the physical flaws on their bodies with permanent ink.

The ink will be gone by next weekends round of parties.

5 posted on 09/26/2008 12:15:07 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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The author has nothing to worry about. None of that nonsense goes on at Hillsdale College.


6 posted on 09/26/2008 12:19:32 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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Well, I hope your daughters only go as far as those girls went with both of you.


7 posted on 09/26/2008 12:19:46 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (What's "Price Gouging"? Should government force us to sell to the 15th highest bidder on eBay?)
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One year, a sorority actually commanded its pledges to strip to their underwear and allow fraternity brothers to mark the physical flaws on their bodies with permanent ink.

We need to make it easier for young people to get into college...

Excuse me if I dont' give a *%@#$ if my kids go to college.

8 posted on 09/26/2008 12:23:54 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: ConservativeMind

I met my girlfriend/now wife in church, thank you very much. ;)


9 posted on 09/26/2008 12:25:08 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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Well, I wonder why we are not training up daughters and sons to say NO I will not participate.
10 posted on 09/26/2008 12:25:20 PM PDT by svcw (Great selection of gift baskets: http://baskettastic.com/)
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To: Yo-Yo

The author has nothing to worry about. None of that nonsense goes on at Hillsdale College.


But note the implication by association..............


11 posted on 09/26/2008 12:26:08 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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These days you can number the decent colleges to which to send students on two hands.

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Young America’s Foundation is pleased to release its third annual “Top Ten Conservative College” list in response to the frequently asked question of which colleges we recommend to those seeking conservative colleges.

Each year, hundreds of thousands of students begin their college search. Admission guides, seminars, advice from friends, and help from advisors all offer different perspectives. Presented with so many options, confusion often clouds this important decision-making process. Given the requests for Young America’s Foundation’s recommendations, and to aid in making the right decision, we are proud to release our third annual “Top Ten Conservative Colleges” list.

A wide variety of rankings exist for the market of American colleges and universities. Each year, U.S. News & World Report releases its “America’s Best Colleges” edition. The magazine grades each institution based on factors including peer assessment, graduation and retention rates, faculty resources, and student selectivity. Yet, U.S. News does not rank the overall experience that colleges offer. That is why Young America’s Foundation presents the following list of ten institutions that offer a conservative experience for students. Young America’s Foundation deemed these ten institutions the best, and they are listed in alphabetical order. We are also pleased to list additional colleges we feel deserve honorable mention.

Many conservative students seek alternatives in higher education, but they may not be fully aware of institutions that fit these criteria. The 2006-2007 “Top Ten Conservative College” list features ten institutions that proclaim, through their mission and programs, a dedication to discovering, maintaining, and strengthening the conservative values of their students.

The listed colleges offer an alternative to the liberal status quo, because they allow and encourage conservative students to explore conservative ideas and authors. They offer coursework and scholarship in conservative thought and emphasize principles including smaller government, strong national defense, free enterprise, and traditional values. Furthermore, they avoid trends in academe by continuing to study Western Civilization instead of straying toward the study of Marxism, feminism, sexuality, postmodernism, and other modern distractions that do not give students a complete understanding of our country, our culture, and its founding principles.

Young America’s Foundation highly recommends service academies such as West Point and Annapolis for people interested in serving their country and receiving a top-notch education. However, these schools do not appear in the top ten. They are not liberal arts colleges but rather military colleges that follow a training model for future officers. There is nothing more honorable than serving our country, and we strongly encourage interested and able students to consider this option.

This is not an exhaustive list of conservative institutions and should not be taken as such. Nor should it be the only source consulted in a college search. Young America’s Foundation recommends that this list serve as a starting point. Parents and students should seek several information sources, read admissions materials thoroughly, consult with friends and counselors, and make visits. Additionally, Young America’s Foundation is not a college rating organization; we decided to publish this list to help address a frequently asked question.

For more information, please contact the listed colleges, or feel free to call Young America’s Foundation at 800-USA-1776.


Christendom College

Front Royal, Virginia

The college was founded in 1977 by a group of Catholics concerned with the direction of higher education, especially within the Catholic church. “Only an education which integrates the truths of the Catholic faith throughout the curriculum is a fully Catholic education,” stated the founders. Led by Dr. Warren H. Carroll, the visionaries also envisioned how, “the only rightful purpose of education is to know the truth and to live by it. The purpose of Catholic education is therefore to learn and to live by the truth revealed by Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ…”

The original vision of Christendom lives today through the institution’s devotion to Catholic theology and way of life. The core curriculum reinforces a Catholic worldview and teaches students to “distinguish truth from error or distortion, and then to communicate truth accurately, effectively, and convincingly to others.” Required courses include “Literature of Western Civilization,” “Introduction to Philosophy,” and “Fundamentals of Catholic Doctrine.”

For more information, contact Christendom College at:

Christendom College Admissions 134 Christendom Drive Front Royal, Virginia 22630 (800) 877-5456 admissions@christendom.edu http://www.christendom.edu


College of the Ozarks

Point Lookout, Missouri

The College of the Ozarks is a unique Christian college with about 1,400 students, located in Point Lookout, Missouri. Dubbed as “Hard Work U.” by The Wall Street Journal, it has a special work-study program in which students work in lieu of paying tuition.

In addition to the 34 majors, 38 minors, and eight pre-professional programs it offers, the College of the Ozarks has an extensive character education program. As soon as students arrive for freshman orientation, they begin character education programs and abide by a dress code and an honor code.

A core liberal arts curriculum is required of all students and an optional character-based curriculum is available but not required. The general education curriculum is “purposefully complemented by an emphasis on the development of vital competencies,” such as writing, critical thinking, and interdisciplinary connections. Overall, the College of the Ozarks offers a robust array of programs and excellent opportunities to receive a well-rounded education.

One of the most distinctive features of the College of the Ozarks is the work-study program. All students work 15 hours per week instead of paying tuition. Many students find interesting jobs at the college such as working at the college’s own airport, in the print shop, as a campus landscaper, or on the farm. Two 40-hour weeks are also required during longer breaks, including Christmas or Easter. Some students also work during the summer to get ahead on their tuition or to cover their room and board costs.

For more information, contact College of the Ozarks at:

College of the Ozarks Admissions P.O. Box 17 Point Lookout, Missouri 65726 (800) 222-0525 admiss4@cofo.edu http://www.cofo.edu


Franciscan University of Steubenville

Steubenville, Ohio

Franciscan University of Steubenville, Ohio is a dynamic Catholic university with 1,982 undergraduate students and 405 graduate students. Majors are available in 35 undergraduate subjects, and the college offers 33 undergraduate minors and seven graduate programs. As a devoutly Catholic institution, Franciscan lives by a conservative intellectual and social philosophy based on the strong liberal arts tradition and the teachings of the Catholic church.

Many of Franciscan’s programs are devoted to obtaining a deeper knowledge of the history, philosophy, and culture that shaped Western Civilization. For example, the university offers five specific programs in which students learn directly about Western Civilization and the role of the Catholic church in its formation. Franciscan also offers an honors program devoted to great books of the Western world. Furthermore, many faculty members have distinguished themselves in conservative scholarship. Political science professor Dr. Stephen Krason penned books about the founding fathers and the Constitution. Legal Studies program director Brian Scharnecchia authored a three-volume work outlining and advocating a conservative approach to family issues.

Campus life at Franciscan is different than most colleges. Many students choose to live in a “household,” a mix between a fraternity and a faith-sharing group. Through sports, Bible study, prayer, and other social activities, households provide an essential bonding experience that parallels the mission of the university. A large portion of the student body’s free time is spent serving the community and attending Mass held on campus.

A factor that distinguishes Franciscan is the student body’s devotion to activism on traditional religious values. Public policy, civic participation, and conservative activism groups remain popular among students.

For more information, contact Franciscan University at:

Franciscan University Admissions 1235 University Boulevard Steubenville, Ohio 43952 (800) 783-6220 http://www.franciscan.edu


Grove City College

Grove City, Pennsylvania

Grove City College is a Christian college located north of Pittsburgh with 2,300 students. It offers 55 majors and has no graduate program. Its mission states: “While many points of view are examined, the College unapologetically advocates preservation of America’s religious, political, and economic heritage of individual freedom and responsibility.”

As a liberal arts institution, its mission also states: “Rejecting relativism and secularism, [Grove City College] fosters intellectual, moral, spiritual, and social development consistent with a commitment to Christian truth, morals, and freedom.” The atmosphere created at Grove City College through its policies encourages “the spiritual, moral, intellectual, and character development” of its students and staff.

Grove City has a commitment to conservative scholarship in various fields. For example, Dr. Paul Kengor (political science) recently wrote another best-selling book entitled The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism and is an expert in the American presidency. Dr. Tracy Miller (economics) is an expert on international economics who has written on the subject. Many of Ludwig von Mises’ papers are housed and researched at the college. In addition, Grove City boasts a strong department of religion and a major in entrepreneurship.

Given its legal and financial independence from the federal government, Grove City College’s tuition fees are surprisingly low. Annual tuition is about half the national average, thanks to the college’s generous scholarship and loan program. As a result, Grove City is ranked as a great value among comprehensive colleges in the northeast United States by U.S. News & World Report. It has been widely reported that the seniors in this college outscore Ivy league schools in terms of critical thinking and knowledge of Civics, Western history and the Constitution.

For more information, contact Grove City College at:

Grove City College Admissions 100 Campus Drive Grove City, Pennsylvania 16127 (724) 458-2100 http://www.gcc.edu


Harding University

Searcy, Arkansas

Harding University in Searcy, Arkansas is a robust Christian college with 6,100 students. Seventy-eight majors, twelve pre-professional programs, and fifteen master’s degrees encompass the academic offerings. As the largest private university in Arkansas, Harding offers a well-rounded intellectual experience in a Biblical context. The Honors College also offers in-depth and supplementary study for accelerated students.

Majors from all programs are required to fulfill liberal arts requirements that include seven categories: spiritual and moral values, communications and critical thinking, the individual and social environment, the natural world, the creative spirit, the historical perspective, and global literacy. A moral code signed by all students creates an atmosphere where everyone is held to high standards.

Each year, Harding students participate in a variety of programs from the American Studies Institute, including the Distinguished Lecture Series. Young America’s Foundation is proud to co-sponsor several lectures each year that expose students to the ideas of leaders including Margaret Thatcher, William F. Buckley, Jr., Sean Hannity, Zell Miller, Lech Walesa, and J.C. Watts.

Harding’s American Studies Institute puts a strong emphasis on its entrepreneurial development programs. For example, the Belden Center for Private Enterprise Education, led by noted scholar Dr. D.P. Diffine, educates students on the importance of freedom and private enterprise in relation to the success of business.

For more information, contact Harding University at:

Harding University Admissions 900 E. Center Searcy, Arkansas 72149 (501) 279-4407 admissions@harding.edu http://www.harding.edu


Hillsdale College

Hillsdale, Michigan

Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Michigan is a strong liberal arts college with 1,250

students. Offering 32 traditional majors, six interdisciplinary majors, and nine pre-professional programs, Hillsdale consistently ranks highly nationwide in U.S. News & World Report, among other publications. Its core curriculum exemplifies the tradition of a classic liberal arts program. All students, regardless of major, are required to take courses in humanities, natural science, and social science during their first two years. Highly respected conservative professors teach at Hillsdale including Dr. Burt Folsom (history) and Dr. Mickey Craig (political science).

Students at this southern Michigan campus hear from one of the largest and most distinguished lecture programs in the country. Hillsdale’s Center for Constructive Alternatives (CCA) has sponsored over 1,100 speakers since 1971, including conservative luminaries such as Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, and Walter Williams. Students are required to attend two hours of CCA seminars in order to graduate.

Independence is an important theme at Hillsdale. Upon its founding in 1844, it was the nation’s first college to prohibit discrimination based on race, sex, or religion in its charter. Ever since, the institution has not taken a penny from the federal government. When some students received federal loans in the 1970s, Hillsdale quickly reacted by maintaining independence and rejecting government quotas. Even given the absence of government funding, Hillsdale remains a great value because it continually provides privately funded financial aid packages.

Hillsdale provides students with a well-rounded education that focuses on liberty. Students learn what liberty means and the moral conditions of its preservation. They develop the skills to be productive citizens and the character to be good ones. The mission statement sums up the college well. It reads: “The College considers itself a trustee of modern man’s intellectual and spiritual inheritance from the Judeo-Christian faith and Greco-Roman culture, a heritage finding its clearest expression in the American experiment of self-government under law.”

For more information, contact Hillsdale College at: Hillsdale College Admissions

33 East College Hillsdale, Michigan 49242 (517) 607-2327 admissions@hillsdale.edu http://www.hillsdale.edu


Indiana Wesleyan University

Marion, Indiana

Indiana Wesleyan University is a Christian university located in Marion, Indiana with about 2,500 students at the main campus and more than 9,500 others through the internet and satellite locations. Twenty-five associate degrees, sixty-five bachelor’s degree programs, and several graduate degrees are offered, mostly at the Marion campus but also at satellite locations state-wide and online. “Indiana Wesleyan University is a Christ-centered academic community committed to changing the world by developing students in character, scholarship and leadership,” states the mission.

The bachelor’s degree curriculum at Indiana Wesleyan University (IWU) revolves around a core of several requirements, including studies in Biblical literature and world civilization. The university also is home to several prominent scholars in conservative and libertarian thought. Both Dr. David Bartley, professor of political science and history, and Dr. Ivan Pongracic, associate professor of economics, are experts in conservative and libertarian philosophy.

Academic Convocation speakers have included Attorney General Ed Meese, M. Stanton Evans, and Dr. James Dobson. Conservative authors highlighted in the curriculum include Friedman, de Toqueville, Bastiat, Hayek, and a course that discusses Ronald Reagan’s autobiography An American Life. In addition, the university has cooperated with student organizers to bring in Young America’s Foundation speakers including Dinesh D’Souza, Star Parker, and Oliver North.

Lifestyle expectations at IWU promote a Christian atmosphere on campus. The primary values center around “Christ likeness,” and include commitment, learning, serving, and stewardship. A major part of IWU is the goal of producing “world changers” through an “integrated experience of intellectual challenge, spiritual growth, and leadership development.” All first-year students take a course called “Becoming World Changers,” which provides a common experience that directs students toward fulfillment of IWU’s mission.

For more information, contact Indiana Wesleyan University at:

Indiana Wesleyan University Admissions 4201 South Washington Street Marion,Indiana 46953 admissions@indwes.edu http://www.indwes.edu


Liberty University

Lynchburg, Virginia

Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia is an evangelical Christian university with about 8,700 on-campus students, and 12,000 in off-campus learning. Overall, Liberty offers 38 undergraduate majors and 29 minors, as well as 15 graduate programs, Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary, a law school, the Liberty Bible Institute, and the English Language Institute. Even though it claims to be the largest Christian university in the world, it plans to continue expanding.

Liberty is directed by a solid Christian vision that is found throughout the institution’s programs and led by Rev. Jerry Falwell. Students at Liberty receive a conservative education because the doctrinal statement of the college is based on “…an absolute repudiation of ‘political correctness,’ a strong commitment to political conservatism, total rejection of socialism, and firm support for America’s economic system of free enterprise,” among other things. In addition, the faculty is committed to a Christian worldview and interested in furthering the doctrinal statement of the college.

All academic programs revolve around a Christian worldview and strive for excellence. Liberty also maintains distance learning that allows students to pursue one of several degrees from home. More than one hundred courses are offered in multiple subjects. Many of the participants have a traveling vocation such as the military or missions. A special program entitled “Home School Advantage” is a specially designed Bible study program for home-schooled students that accelerates their transition into the university.

The Christian experience at Liberty does not stop with the classroom. Dormitories are supervised by Spiritual Life Directors (SLD’s), older students that foster a Christian lifestyle and atmosphere. Many extracurricular programs are designed to further the mission of the college, including an annual Christian music festival called “block party,” Bible study, and chapel programs. The central Virginia campus also offers NCAA division I athletics, a national champion debate team, Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) programs, and special conferences devoted to Biblical issues.

For more information, contact Liberty University at:

Liberty University Admissions 1971 University Boulevard Lynchburg, Virginia 24502 (434) 582-2000 admissions@liberty.edu http://www.liberty.edu


St. Vincent College

Latrobe, Pennsylvania

St. Vincent College is a traditional Catholic college in rural Pennsylvania, just outside Pittsburgh. With almost 1,700 students, it offers a comprehensive liberal arts program in the Benedictine tradition.

Archabbot Wimmer, the founder of St. Vincent College, noted that students should learn “first what is necessary, then what is useful, and finally what is beautiful and will contribute to their refinement.” The college continues that vision with a strong core curriculum promoting hard work and the study of philosophy.

The Alex G. McKenna School of Economics and Government highlights conservative ideas through its programs including the Center for Political and Economic Thought, where internationally recognized guests interact with students and faculty through lectures and events. A focus on philosophy and principles instead of current events and polling data, especially in political science, allows students to learn more deeply about the importance of Western civilization.

For more information, please contact St. Vincent College at:

St. Vincent College Admissions 300 Fraser Purchase Road Latrobe, Pennsylvania 15650 (724) 537-4540 admission@stvincent.edu http://www.stvincent.edu


Thomas Aquinas College

Santa Paula, California

Thomas Aquinas College is a small Catholic college located in southern California with 351 students. No majors or minors are offered since all students participate in the prescribed great books curriculum. The somewhat secluded location in the hills of rural southern California provides a metaphor for the unique nature of this fine institution.

The “great books” of history comprise the entire curriculum of Thomas Aquinas College, and all students graduate with a Bachelor of Arts in Liberal Arts. Books on many subjects are included in the program, including music, mathematics, and science as well as philosophy, language, and theology. Faculty members serve less as lecturers and more as facilitators using the Socratic method. Catholic faculty members publicly take the Oath of Fidelity and make a Profession of Faith at the beginning of their terms in office.

Campus life at Thomas Aquinas follows with traditional Catholic morality and teaching, and there are many groups in which students participate. For example, the St. Genesius Players is a drama group that puts on productions, the choir often performs, and the “bushwhackers” maintain local trails and organize hiking trips. Student groups are also involved with activism on issues related to traditional religious values.

For more information, contact Thomas Aquinas College at:

Thomas Aquinas College Admissions 10000 North Ojai Road Santa Paula, California 93060 (800) 634-9797 admissions@thomasaquinas.edu http://www.thomasaquinas.edu


12 posted on 09/26/2008 12:29:18 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (http://www.theobamafile.com/))
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It’s really not as bad as people make it out to be. I went to two colleges, USC and Michigan. In both places, you had plenty of kids who spent a lot of time partying and engaging in drunken shenanigans (like me). On the other hand, the common rooms in every dorm were regularly booked for Bible study, Jewish student prayer meetings, Buddhist meditation groups, and the like. If you went into the library on a Saturday night, the place would still be packed with kids studying, rather than binge drinking.

There were mindless fraternities and sororities of every description, but there were also religious fellowship groups of every denomination and religions, public service clubs, intar-mural sports clubs and organizations geared towards every interest.

In my opinion, commuter students tend to be outsiders on most campuses. It’s more difficult for them to make friends or integrate fully into student life.

You know your kids better than anyone, so it’s a judgment call you have to make. But don’t get scared by these horror stories. The college experience is what the individual student makes of it.


13 posted on 09/26/2008 12:32:11 PM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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It appears that our home is a much more wholesome environment than some college dorms.

That is no doubt true. You have many options, however. You can encourage them to stay home and learn a trade through mentoring/apprenticeship (generally far superior to classroom lecturing for real learning). Or do online/distance learning, or go to local schools.

In the case of daughters, if you hope for them to marry and they are not career-oriented, don't push them into an education they don't want anyway. Encourage them to stay home and hone their home-making skills. (It may still be wise for them to develop some marketable job skills, for various difficult circumstances).

Finally, a few schools are better than others. Cedarville University and Patrick Henry college, for example, likely do not have the kind of depravity noted here. Not surprisingly they are popular with homeschoolers. Hillsdale is the same way, though with a more secular bent.

May God grant you wisdom and courage in working out your concerns and convictions.

14 posted on 09/26/2008 12:32:15 PM PDT by Liberty1970
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To: BlackElk

Hillsdale Ping
Read the article
Looks like you chose well


15 posted on 09/26/2008 12:37:00 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("[Gov. Sarah Palin] is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger." -- Gloria Steinem)
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Also, part of the issue is what schools the kids go to. Frankly, the more academically elite the school is, the less likely you are to see some of the crazy behavior. The type of kids who got to Harvard tend to be, frankly, pretty dorky workaholics. My law school roommate went there and he told me that a wild night at Harvard consisted of dinner, some coffee, then everyone going back to study and do schoolwork.

But a less academically serious school such as Arizona State (just to pick on one) is going to attract a lot of kids who are more interested in partying than getting good grades.

16 posted on 09/26/2008 12:40:52 PM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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"In the case of daughters, if you hope for them to marry and they are not career-oriented, don't push them into an education they don't want anyway. Encourage them to stay home and hone their home-making skills."

this is idiotic on so many levels...primarily your view an educated person must be equated with being career-oriented. I would encourage all women including those who would like to stay home with children, to educate themselves. The children can only benefit from this. All those who don't exhibit any interest in academics, should seek out vocational training.

17 posted on 09/26/2008 12:44:46 PM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Citizen Blade

I went to MIT in the ‘70’s. The unofficial mantra there (I’m still in contact with people there) is “Play Hard, Work Hard”. The weekend doesn’t begin on Thursday and end on Monday like many schools, but there’s definitely a weekend. OTOH the place is like a monastery during the week.


18 posted on 09/26/2008 12:46:28 PM PDT by RonF
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To: reaganaut1

We have a son ,so we only have one penis to worry about.


19 posted on 09/26/2008 12:48:04 PM PDT by kickonly88
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To: reaganaut1

My daughter went off to college last year. She was a little young only turning 18 at the end of December, but a very independent young woman who couldn’t wait to go to school in Chicago at DePaul. We were okay with it because we had lots of relatives in the city.

Be the end of the year she could not wait to get out of there. She stuck with her first room mate for 2 1/2 quarters. Finally could not stand the partying and drinking anymore, ( room mate turned out to have history of alcohol and drug abuse, several runs through “rehab”) the inability to sleep or study due to the above by her room mate and other suit mates. Trying not to be the “helicopter” parents we tried to let her handle it, and she did okay.

That changed when she called in tears after meeting her new room mate. Her comment to my daughter was “ well I’ll be up front with you, I drink and snort heroin, I was just in rehab, but I didn’t need to go my parents made me”. That was it. We told her to thank the new room mate for her honesty then laid into DePauls administration. Her third room mate was finally a nice girl who at least let her finish the year out in peace.

My daughter could not WAIT to get out of that place. Currently, she is living at home, going to the local UNC, it’s costing me a fraction of what DePaul raped us for and she’s much happier.

As a final note, she came to us recently and told us when she checked her second room mates Facebook the entries indicated she had recently died of an overdose. I kid you not.


20 posted on 09/26/2008 12:55:22 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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