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43% in state speak other than English at home
SF Gate ^ | September 23, 2008 | Tyche Hendricks

Posted on 09/24/2008 12:08:43 PM PDT by forkinsocket

San Francisco resident Carlos Dimaano, 50, a recent immigrant from the Philippines, speaks English in his job at a community center. But when he goes home to cook dinner for his 88-year-old father, the two lapse into their native Tagalog.

The men are among the almost 43 percent of Californians who speak a language other than English at home, a proportion far higher than in any other state in the country, according to census figures released today. Speaking another language at home doesn't mean they don't also speak English in the home.

But Dimaano, who immigrated just a year ago, is also among the 1 in 5 Californians who feel they don't speak English "very well."

By contrast, fewer than 20 percent of U.S. residents overall speak another language at home, and fewer than 9 percent classify themselves as limited English speakers, the Census Bureau said.

The Bay Area, with its large number of immigrants, has about the same proportion of limited English speakers as the state overall, the census figures show. For some experts, that is cause for concern. For others, it is a source of regional strength.

"It's very disturbing when 1 in 5 people is not communicating in the common language," said Victor Davis Hanson, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. "Culturally, it creates a sort of tribalism. This country doesn't have a predominant race or religion; it just has values. That's a very thin bond. We have shared values and a shared Constitution; we also have to have a shared culture and language."

When immigrants congregate in enclaves, they have a harder time learning English and becoming fully American, said Hanson, author of the book "Mexifornia: A State of Becoming."

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; california; english; immigrantlist; languages
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1 posted on 09/24/2008 12:08:44 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

Aw damn. It’s not 100% yet...


2 posted on 09/24/2008 12:13:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac president... Obama the strychnine president...)
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To: forkinsocket
yes think of all the ebonics being spoken.
3 posted on 09/24/2008 12:20:26 PM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: forkinsocket

I live in LA. I would have guessed the number as higher.


4 posted on 09/24/2008 12:24:46 PM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: forkinsocket
The important thing, history has shown us, is whether the children of these people are learning English. More often than not the answer to that question is "yes," and the children are often bi-lingual, which is good as well. I know many people whose parents, grandparents or great-grandparents were immigrants who regret thet they were told to speak only in English and never in the language of the old country. They feel they lost a golden opportunity to become fluent in another language.

The most important thing is for the schools to insist on English and English only.

5 posted on 09/24/2008 12:25:49 PM PDT by blau993 (Fight Gerbil Swarming)
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To: blau993
The important thing, history has shown us, is whether the children of these people are learning English. More often than not the answer to that question is "yes," and the children are often bi-lingual, which is good as well.

It is usually the case that the children of first generation immigrants are bilingual, speaking the language of the Old Country at home and English outside of the home.

In his autobiography, America's Ace of Aces in World War One, Eddie Rickenbacker, writes about growing up speaking German at home as his parents were German-speaking Swiss immigrants.


6 posted on 09/24/2008 12:32:56 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: forkinsocket

Que?


7 posted on 09/24/2008 12:34:30 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Pontius Pilate voted "Present")
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To: forkinsocket
"I only know 2 languages, english and bad english" -- Corbin Dallas, The Fifth Element
8 posted on 09/24/2008 12:37:27 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: blau993
They need to learn English....because that is the basic language of the country they are living in. Period.

I understand keeping alive your native language...I am part Potawatomi Indian..and understand the yearning for old ways.

But I can't do much with the Potawatomi language...and would do me no good...here in America...where we speak ENGLISH!

9 posted on 09/24/2008 12:38:19 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: forkinsocket

Samuel Ichiye Hayakawa would have enjoyed this bit of apologetic nonsense.


10 posted on 09/24/2008 12:39:09 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: forkinsocket
While I was born in the US, about 6 months after my birth my parents moved back to Iran...We returned when I was about 9 years of age...I was raised in a household that spoke another language but my father insisted in having English as the equal of Persian in the home...as he said later on when I was an adult, “you must respect the culture and customs of the country you live in.”

I see no problem with other languages per se...but, when it is to the exclusion of English then it becomes my problem and yours and the country's...

11 posted on 09/24/2008 12:39:36 PM PDT by Longstreet63 (Che Guevara is a genocidal hero of the ignorant...)
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To: forkinsocket

I’ve seen people turn left from the right turn lane, I’ve seen people turn right from the left turn lane, but I have never seen anyone turn left while parked facing oncoming traffic until today. God Bless us All.


12 posted on 09/24/2008 12:40:23 PM PDT by Haddit (A Hunter Conservative)
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To: forkinsocket

Tagalog? I thought that was a Girl Scout cookie.


13 posted on 09/24/2008 12:41:16 PM PDT by Silly (www.QuestionOthority.com)
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To: forkinsocket

What did they expect? We allowed most of Mexico’s poor to invade — the peasant class Mexico couldn’t be bothered with, and they came with what you’d expect: minimal skills and Spanish. Naturally, if they live in enclaves, they’re not going to work hard learning English so they can assimilate. That’s usually not the main goal. Sending money back home is.


14 posted on 09/24/2008 12:45:24 PM PDT by hershey
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To: forkinsocket

If I spoke Gaelic at home, whose business would it be, so long as I did not demand those outside my home use it in dealing with me?


15 posted on 09/24/2008 12:46:53 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: forkinsocket

I guess Ted Kennedy’s goal of a Tower of Babel is accomplished.

He was the front man of an bill that was the cause of many of today’s issues...the common thread of European blood and culture, even for non-Europeans, was the reason streets were safe and life was prosperous.

In the end, nearly all of the US issues can be directly or indirectly attributed to unchecked 3rd World immigration. Just to be clear, there has been some contribution, but clearly the costs have far, far outweighed the benefits.


16 posted on 09/24/2008 12:53:20 PM PDT by wac3rd (The MSM will accompany the Captain of the SS Marxist Titanic to the bottom of Lake Michigan)
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To: forkinsocket
Ĉu vi parolas Esperanton?

Jes!

17 posted on 09/24/2008 12:53:33 PM PDT by socal_parrot (Stand up for Chuck!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


18 posted on 09/24/2008 1:15:30 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: forkinsocket

My great grandmother could speak fluent German but was forbidden from speaking it at home. Her parents spoke german only when they were alone but were into the whole immersion thing.


19 posted on 09/24/2008 1:20:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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My great grandmother could speak fluent German but was forbidden from speaking it at home. Her parents spoke german only when they were alone but were into the whole immersion thing.

The same with my Polish grandparents. My dad wishes he'd taught us Polish but the idea of immersion carried down to him.

Not so today. Everywhere you go there are signs in spanish. Why should they feel any need to learn English?

20 posted on 09/24/2008 1:26:20 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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