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It is reasonable that naked shorting should be, and is, illegal, and that law against same ought to be enforced - it is basically a way of counterfeiting stock certificates. But if I have a valid stock certificate borrowed from a holder who permits same, and sell it - what is the problem? One can be confident that the short seller must eventually buy the shares back. But I would be quite happy with a rule that did not permit short selling. It is the sudden change in the rules after people have taken positions that is the problem.

My complaint is that the feds are changing the rules day by day, as they choose, without notice to the market participants (or at least notice to the "little" participants - lots of mysterious recent action can be explained by those "in the know" having acted on early information about changes to be announced to the general public). We have a severely rigged market, being more so by the day. I'm 3/4's of the way out, soon to be 100%. Do not know what to do next, but the "capital" market in this country is so rigged and subject to arbitrary and insider driven rule changes, and almost frequent, hourly 100% drops and/or increases in stock prices with no fundamental change, (see MS today) that one cannot "invest" in it based on rational analysis of the business as presented.

It is reasonable that naked shorting should be, and is, illegal, and that law against same ought to be enforced - it is basically a way of counterfeiting stock certificates. But if I have a valid stock certificate borrowed from a holder who permits same, and sell it - what is the problem? One can be confident that the short seller must eventually buy the shares back. But I would be quite happy with a rule that did not permit short selling. It is the sudden change in the rules after people have taken positions that is the problem.

The problem is not with short selling per se. It is with naked short selling where a hedge fund floods the market with more shares than there are legitimate sellers.

First: The settlement isn't till three days later at best and is often by a FTD (Failure To Deliver which is an IOU which simply enters the system as if it was a real share of stock).
Secondly: and in any event, the offering of a flood of naked shorts (which are undetectable as they enter the system, drives the supply of 'sells' up and the price down. Then, of course, if the settlement occurs the missing phantom stock share can be bought for pennies on the dollar.

You might be interested viewing this quicktime speech-slide presentation here which explains this and related matters in detail.

BTW and one of the things that you may not know, is that of the side effects is for some corporations as also explained in the presentation, is there are now so many phantom shares that the overage is numerically more than some close proxy vote numerical differences.

Thats whats going to kill us all, we no longer know what ANYTHING is worth. Dollar is gonna just freakin tank after the election. You watch. They (Congress, SEC and assorted Banking organizations) won't be able to prop it up much longer. and then we are ALL toast. Its a matter of time.

“My complaint is that the feds are changing the rules day by day, as they choose, without notice to the market participants (or at least notice to the “little” participants - lots of mysterious recent action can be explained by those “in the know” having acted on early information about changes to be announced to the general public). We have a severely rigged market, being more so by the day.”

You hit the nail on the head. The small investor without the same access to information doesn’t have a way to win in a rigged game. This is a very bad move on top of several other bad moves recently.