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As Oil Speculators Lose Backing, Market Exodus Could Ripple
The Wall Street Journal ^ | SEPTEMBER 17, 2008 | GREGORY MEYER

Posted on 09/16/2008 8:38:27 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Evaporating access to credit and fears of an economic washout are taking a toll on oil prices, forcing speculators using borrowed money out of the market.

Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.'s sudden bankruptcy filing and Merrill Lynch & Co.'s pending sale to Bank of America Corp. suggest big banks may be less willing or able to absorb debt to boost trading positions, with implications for the inherently leveraged oil-futures markets. Analysts believe that could have a ripple effect on other speculative investors in the market.

Widespread liquidation of futures contracts compounded fears of faltering oil demand in knocking oil down near $90 a barrel on Tuesday before rebounding to settle at $91.15 on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Some traders faced margin calls, or demands for more cash collateral, in other asset classes, market participants said. In a conference call with analysts, Goldman Sachs Group Inc.'s chief financial officer noted "deleveraging" among its clients, attributing it to "more fear than anything."

The potential for less leverage -- or borrowed money -- at play in the oil-futures market has already helped spark a sharp fall in oil prices, which have lost about 20% of their value this month. The drop has come amid a slew of factors that should support prices, including a production cut by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, renewed attacks in key crude-oil producer Nigeria and a major knock to gasoline output in the U.S. Gulf Coast in the wake of Hurricane Ike.

The duress suggests investment banks' own proprietary commodities trading could decline as banks think twice about how much debt they take on to fund risky positions. Banks' risk aversion could also drive their clients out of the oil market, which could continue to weigh on prices, with some analysts identifying this year's lows of $86.....

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KEYWORDS: commodities; energy; energyprices; oil; speculators
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1 posted on 09/16/2008 8:39:01 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

that’s rich!

i mean, the speculators without loaned cash are less rich!


2 posted on 09/16/2008 8:48:12 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Bummer.

Oil speculators (who stood to gain billions if/when Pelosi could keep oil prices high bu manipulating exploration and legislation) are losing their shirts, skirts, and markets. when the price drops back towards free-market values of 75-95.00/barrel.

Shucks.

Drat.

Darn.


3 posted on 09/16/2008 8:48:16 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Using borrowed money to bet on Markets is like playing with a loaded weapon.


4 posted on 09/16/2008 8:48:38 PM PDT by lmr (NOBAMA '08!)
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To: MinorityRepublican; SAJ

I thought that oil prices just rose because of supply and demand and that there was no problem with speculators. /s


5 posted on 09/16/2008 8:50:45 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: MinorityRepublican

Not to worry. About the time oil hits $80/bbl, Pelosi and her fat cat Politician buds will finally have a solution to this little oil price “problem, and the price should be back to the $150-200 range where it belongs.


6 posted on 09/16/2008 8:52:47 PM PDT by MCCRon58 (Freedom does not mean you are free from the consequences of your own freely made decisions.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

But...but....but....PEAK OIL!!!1!!one!


7 posted on 09/16/2008 8:54:32 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (I'm Right Guard, here to prevent B. O.)
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To: lmr
Using borrowed money to bet on Markets is like playing with a loaded weapon.

Unless your a politician, then it's a loaded bottle...

8 posted on 09/16/2008 8:54:44 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: AndyJackson

funny you mention that.

i’ve see two conflicting stories recently:

1. oil speculators caused oil prices to go up.

2. oil speculators did not cause oil prices to go up.


9 posted on 09/16/2008 8:54:58 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: lmr
Well, certainly no one should *play* with a loaded weapon. But unloaded weapons are useless.

;-)

10 posted on 09/16/2008 8:59:32 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: ken21; neverdem; patton
No, no.

What the writers are missing is ...

The oil speculators (correctly) predicted the IMPACT that Pelosi WILL HAVE on oil (restrictions) and markets, THEREFORE they PROPERLY BOUGHT AND SOLD oil futures prices to rise due to (artificially) restricted supplies.

What they FAILED to predict was Palin’s ability to REMOVE PELOSI from the artificial restriction on oil production.

11 posted on 09/16/2008 9:01:10 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

that’s a good point.

i had not entertained sarah palin’s impact on pelosi’s restricted environment.

seems like the loss of loan capital is also an issue.


12 posted on 09/16/2008 9:04:22 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
The people yelled "Drill Baby Drill", and the oil speculators heard "Sell Baby Sell."

I think McCain should get some credit for this.

-ccm

13 posted on 09/16/2008 9:11:58 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

If a boatload of these oil speculators who bought oil high trying to force it higher end up in the ditch, out of business and destitute, then, I, for one will be very, very happy.


14 posted on 09/16/2008 9:15:21 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: AndyJackson
Andy -- I've explained how the crude market, and indeed all other physical product markets, work, right here on FR, not once but several times.

Believe the explanation, or don't. Won't make a particle of difference in my life. However, it WILL affect yours, and others so afflicted with a lack of understanding.

Markets are finite. Futures markets are a very small subset of actual physicals markets. However, physicals prices must reflect, or nearly so, prices in futures markets, or else there's a perfect arbitrage available. Thus, when huge amounts of capital come into futures markets on the long side, as here from 2002-early 2008, the price of physicals will rise apace, even ''outrageously''.

This is true on the upside, as of a few months ago, as well as on the downside, as we've seen since 11 July or thereabouts. Much of the excess capital that entered the markets -- not only in crude, but in grains and metals -- has exited the market over the past two months, and, gee -- guess what? -- the markets are declining apace. In fact, they're doing so MUCH faster than they went up.

Either learn to understand the market mechanism, or sit around and be bitter. No skin off my nose, either way.

15 posted on 09/16/2008 9:17:43 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: MinorityRepublican
Sounds like Lehman and Merill Lynch had a bunch of Oil futures that went the wrong way.

Remember it was a lead pipe cinch it was going to $200 til President Bush signed the Drilling Bill. You can lose millions in a hurry in the futures markets.

Pray for W, McCuda and Our Troops

16 posted on 09/16/2008 9:19:27 PM PDT by bray (Drill Congress!!)
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To: SAJ

Divert yourself instead to the task of explaining this to my miniature poodle: you’ll finish earlier and with better results.


17 posted on 09/16/2008 9:21:26 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Rembrandt
Restrain your joy. The big specs have gone from WAY long in crude to almost flat, and they're WAY short in natural gas. You can confirm this at your leisure, every Friday about noon Eastern time, by looking at the COT graphs at this Commitment of Traders site or numerous others. Just click on the market symbol whose breakdown of traders' positions you want to examine.
18 posted on 09/16/2008 9:24:19 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: Petronski
Petronski, you are undoubtedly correct, and thanks for pointing same out to me. I never could understand differential topology; I suppose some folks just can't understand markets.

Oh, well.

;^)

19 posted on 09/16/2008 9:25:48 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: bray
Lehman drank the FedGov's Kool-Aid, to wit, ''Go ahead and make lots of subprime mortgage loans, either yourselves or by proxy. And don't bother dishing the mortgages off to other parties; they're as good as gold.'' Lehman bought into this rubbish, hugely.

And that, m'friend, is why Lehman's is up feces creek, not because of their VERY profitable futures trading.

20 posted on 09/16/2008 9:28:26 PM PDT by SAJ
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