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To: Servant of the Cross

Well, the ad is not honest because the kindergarden program was about avoiding bad touching.

But after what they did Sarah Palin’s kids, it just doesn’t bother me as much.


2 posted on 09/16/2008 11:45:03 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB

Read the article.


4 posted on 09/16/2008 11:54:42 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: gondramB

Did you read the article?????? It disputes your claim.

I am so sick of the DBM lying for Obama!


5 posted on 09/16/2008 11:55:14 AM PDT by KansasGirl (READ MY LIPSTICK!!!)
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To: gondramB
That's just the talking point from the media. From Byron York's article (long, but worth reading):

"Senate Bill 99 struck out grade six, changing it to kindergarten, in addition to making a few other changes in wording. It read: Each class or course in comprehensive sex education in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.

This was sex ed, not "avoiding bad touching". The only bill sponsor who would speak with York was Sen. Iris Martinez. Their exchange - "I (York) told Martinez that reading the bill, I just didn’t see it as being exclusively, or even mostly, about inappropriate touching. “I didn’t see it that way, either,” Martinez said."

Byron York's closing paragraph:

Obama’s explanation for his vote has been accepted by nearly all commentators. And perhaps that is indeed why he voted for Senate Bill 99, although we don’t know for sure. But we do know that the bill itself was much more than that. The fact is, the bill’s intention was to mandate that issues like contraception and the prevention of sexually-transmitted diseases be included in sex-education classes for children before the sixth grade, and as early as kindergarten. Obama’s defenders may howl, but the bill is what it is.

6 posted on 09/16/2008 12:01:30 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: gondramB
you need to read the bill more thoroughly! From the bill: Each class or course in comprehensive sex 14 education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall 15 include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted 16 infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread 17 of HIV AIDS. Nothing in this Section prohibits instruction in 18 sanitation, hygiene or traditional courses in biology.
8 posted on 09/16/2008 12:03:10 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: gondramB
Well, the ad is not honest because the kindergarden program was about avoiding bad touching.

From the article:

According to the press release, Senate Bill 99 required that “if a public school teaches sex education, family life education, and comprehensive health education courses, all materials and instruction must be medically and factually accurate.” The bill’s main sponsor, Sen. Carol Ronen, was quoted saying, “It teaches students about the advantages of abstinence, while also giving them the realistic information they need about the prevention of an unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections.” The release contained no mention of sexual predators or inappropriate touching.
Also from the article:
Senate Bill 99 struck out grade six, changing it to kindergarten, in addition to making a few other changes in wording. It read:
Each class or course in comprehensive sex education in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.
Also from the article:
The proposed bill eliminated all those passages ("value-based" statements emphasizing abstinence as the most effective means of avoiding pregnancy and STD's) and replaced them with wording like this:
Course material and instruction shall include a discussion of sexual abstinence as a method to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
Course material and instruction shall present the latest medically factual information regarding both the possible side effects and health benefits of all forms of contraception, including the success and failure rates for the prevention of pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV…
Also from the article:
After we discussed other aspects of the bill, I told Martinez that reading the bill, I just didn’t see it as being exclusively, or even mostly, about inappropriate touching. “I didn’t see it that way, either,” Martinez said. “It’s just more information about a whole variety of things that have to go into a sex education class, the things that are outdated that you want to amend with things that are much more current.”

So, I asked, you didn’t see it specifically as being about inappropriate touching?

“Absolutely not.”

So, according to the only sponsor of the bill that the reporter could get to talk about the bill, it was not primarily about "inappropriate touching". The bill DID expand the sex education program to include kindergarten, and did eliminate the emphasis on abstinence as the most effective means of avoiding pregnancy or STD's, and (also mentioned in the interview with the bill's sponsor) was influenced by input from Planned Parenthood.

Sounds to me as if the McCain ad is more honest than the Obama camp response to it.

9 posted on 09/16/2008 12:05:39 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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