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Dow Closes Down 504.48
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Posted on 09/15/2008 1:16:57 PM PDT by illiac

Bad day for Wall Street

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: badtimes; banks; busheconomy; djia; dowjones; economy; housingbubble; pelosiconomy; reidconomy; wallstreet
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Someone wants it to drop big. All this bad news released at once. The next day or two could offer a nice buy point unless it truly is the end and then it don't matter no way no how.
201 posted on 09/15/2008 4:16:51 PM PDT by TBall
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To: RobRoy
>>As in 1929 style crash, and resultant depression?<< Yup. Maybe worse. We have been in deflation for a while now. And remember what the depression got us in the 1939-1945 timeframe. People just don’t realize how serious this thing can get.

Yep, most Americans back then had no credit cards, no auto loans etc. IT's going to get nasty before it get's better.

202 posted on 09/15/2008 4:17:13 PM PDT by am452 (Pres Bush: Why more importance on protecting Georgias border than our own?)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
The basic structure of the economy is still solid.

You must be enrolled at the limbaugh school of business...

203 posted on 09/15/2008 4:18:48 PM PDT by am452 (Pres Bush: Why more importance on protecting Georgias border than our own?)
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To: All
With the DOW in the territory of 11,000 a 500 point drop is not as bad as we've seen. I fully expect the media are very sad. They probably wanted a drop 10 fold larger!

Emperor-in-Waiting Obama will be screaming for a run on the banks or some other asinine bull.

My layman's feeling is McCain has it right here. The fundamentals are sound and with all we've seen in these last eight years, it's a bit awing just how robust this nation is. It's almost unbelievable. We need to realize, of course, other countries are suffering as well from the so-called mortgage crisis and from higher fuel prices.

The Press and Obama tried painting Greenspan as against McCain's economic plan when he isn't. He is against *borrowing* for tax cuts while McCain's plan is to eliminate earmarks (cutting spending) to "pay" for them.

204 posted on 09/15/2008 4:19:33 PM PDT by newzjunkey (McCain-Palin! YES CA Prop 4. (Family notification for underage abortions))
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To: All; r_barton
Did you notice something about the top 5?

 
2	04/14/2000	   10,305.77	-617.78	-5.66 
3	10/27/1997	     7,161.15	-554.26	-7.18 
4	08/31/1998	     7,539.07	-512.61	-6.37 
Who was president in 98, 99 and 00? Why, it was Bill Clinton, the Democrat's economic demi-god!
205 posted on 09/15/2008 4:22:33 PM PDT by newzjunkey (McCain-Palin! YES CA Prop 4. (Family notification for underage abortions))
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To: RobRoy
That is why I think this unwinding will be so painful.

Nope.

Just raw government intervention in a free economy that causes it.

206 posted on 09/15/2008 4:22:42 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: expat_panama; hedgetrimmer
For me today's trading was a dream come true --a great shake-out, and we've still got long term support growing at over 10% annually. Something else to remember is that the current bear market no where near as bad as the Clinton bubble or even the Carter malaise; I'm ready to pounce on the next confirmed rally.

Expat, several years back on the free trade threads you was spouting record home ownership, record family net wealth, record wages etc DUE to free trade.

If free trade was so great why have Americans basically stopped spending money when their food and gas bills went up a measly $100-200 per month?? According to you free traders Americans woould be rolling in the dollars? What happened?

207 posted on 09/15/2008 4:29:59 PM PDT by am452 (Pres Bush: Why more importance on protecting Georgias border than our own?)
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To: expat_panama; hedgetrimmer
For me today's trading was a dream come true --a great shake-out, and we've still got long term support growing at over 10% annually. Something else to remember is that the current bear market no where near as bad as the Clinton bubble or even the Carter malaise; I'm ready to pounce on the next confirmed rally.

Expat, several years back on the free trade threads you was spouting record home ownership, record family net wealth, record wages etc DUE to free trade.

If free trade was so great why have Americans basically stopped spending money when their food and gas bills went up a measly $100-200 per month?? According to you free traders Americans woould be rolling in the dollars? What happened?

208 posted on 09/15/2008 4:30:06 PM PDT by am452 (Pres Bush: Why more importance on protecting Georgias border than our own?)
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To: newzjunkey
With the DOW in the territory of 11,000 a 500 point drop is not as bad as we've seen.

Yeah but the dow was 14k in October 07

209 posted on 09/15/2008 4:31:16 PM PDT by am452 (Pres Bush: Why more importance on protecting Georgias border than our own?)
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To: newzjunkey
With the DOW in the territory of 11,000 a 500 point drop is not as bad as we've seen.

Yeah but the dow was 14k in October 07

210 posted on 09/15/2008 4:31:24 PM PDT by am452 (Pres Bush: Why more importance on protecting Georgias border than our own?)
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To: am452
I blame the banks and greedy ceo's who made those insidious bad loans.

So many here attempted to blame the poor slobs that went looking for loans...As if the poor slobs had any decision in the approval of those loans.

211 posted on 09/15/2008 4:31:45 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: am452
Conservatives including Rush Limbaugh and GWB better wake up. This economy is sick. Sick of 50+ years of excess credit creation. Sick of Goldman Sachs and Citi Bank honchos like Robert Rubin, John Corzine, and Paulson running our economy off a cliff. Sick of spending trillions of dollars to purchase oil from our enemies that we could have purchased at home. It is tragic that we are headed for a socialist government because we, the conservatives, refused to follow our own advice and demand sound financial policies from our so-called conservative administration.
212 posted on 09/15/2008 4:32:03 PM PDT by brydic1
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

The SEC (Securities & Exchange Commission) is definitely partially responsible for this volatility and drop in the stock market. They have done a terrible job and need to be reprimanded loud and clear.

1) In July 2007 they (the SEC) got rid of the Uptick rule regulating short sellers which had been in place since 1938 because of short selling bear raids during the Great Depression. Since the Uptick rule was taken out, the volatility on the stock market has increased by 70% as measured by the VIX Index.

2) In November 2007 they got rid of the Program Trading curbs that had been in place since the 1987 stock market crash.

3) The SEC has not stopped the abusive and criminal practice of Naked Short Selling, which is the same as counterfeiting shares of publically traded stock.

These are three major problems that NEED TO BE FIXED IMMEDIATELY BY THE SEC. The results have been a massive amount of increased volatility and instability in the equity markets, reducing the net worth for American investors, driving companies out of business, and substantially raising the cost of capital.

Because the SEC is regulated by the Senate Banking Committee, it is time to write letters to every U.S. Senator sitting on this committee demanding the Uptick Rule and Program Trading curbs be reinstated, and the criminal practice of Naked Short Selling be stopped once and for all.

Here’s a list of U.S. Senators on the Senate Banking Committee. When enough people send them letters, I guarantee you things will change at the SEC - and some heads there should definitely roll for their gross incompetence.

http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Information.Membership


213 posted on 09/15/2008 4:40:25 PM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: DCBryan1
Can Wachovia do Anything Right?
214 posted on 09/15/2008 4:42:19 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: am452

My Sam Adams stock is doing just fine.


215 posted on 09/15/2008 4:50:40 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: brydic1

Kudos to your statement! It is time for some authentic conservatism


216 posted on 09/15/2008 4:51:18 PM PDT by nobamanada
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To: dragnet2
I do not blame the poor slobs that went looking for loans that they should never have received. I do blame the policies of the past several administrations that, in order, to buy votes from all and sundry encouraged and even threatened banks to make those loans (which, we, the people, will repay either as taxpayers or thru inflation).
217 posted on 09/15/2008 4:51:33 PM PDT by brydic1
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To: nobamanada

There is pitifully little enough of conservatism even on this site that professes a conservative philosophy.


218 posted on 09/15/2008 5:02:18 PM PDT by brydic1
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To: brydic1
I do not blame the poor slobs that went looking for loans that they should never have received.

Howdoya blame the slobs when they have zip to do with the approval of the loans?

If I was an illegal alien, or some slob with undocumented income, and or little or no down payment money, would you lend me 300k?

No, of course you wouldn't.

219 posted on 09/15/2008 5:04:40 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: r_barton
"Today is in the top 10 daily losses for points, but it's not even in the top 20 for percentage losses in one day."

There was no stock "market" crash today, since that happened already long ago (to begin with, yearly inflation of 20 pct since 2006; dollar, index composition, etc).

There was something else today.

Major Banks Collapse- Citicorp, Merrill Lynch, Script was explained before published - fromNovember 2007

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Major+Banks+Collapse%22++Merrill+Lynch+%22Script+was+explained+before%22+%22
Check links proving that EVERY part of the script (including the masses reduced to zombies unable to react until they will be slaughtered) was explained by in ... 1998,

220 posted on 09/15/2008 5:07:14 PM PDT by VlPu
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