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Is the U.S. Going Broke?
Forbes ^ | 09/29/08 (issue date?) | Laurence J. Kotlikoff

Posted on 09/14/2008 10:45:28 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: Nathan Zachary

I have often said that one of the best things in the world that colleges and even high schools could do for young people would be to teach them Dave Ramsey type personal finance.

Our young people seem incredibly naive about money and saving. They graduate high school and head off to college or get a job and someone is immediately shoving a credit card in their face.


41 posted on 09/15/2008 12:29:43 AM PDT by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: ex-Texan
Is an October crash growing more likely? It sure is!

The greedy sub-prime banking industry crooks must be held responsible in court, not repeatedly bailed out with tax dollars, and then on top of it issued massive monetary bonuses.

Global Stocks, U.S. Futures, Dollar Tumble on Lehman Bankruptcy

Markets crash on US financial woes

42 posted on 09/15/2008 12:45:39 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: staytrue
Nothing happens unless people are rewarded for it. "The magnitude of Fannie's machinations is stunning, and in two key areas in particular they deserve to be better understood. By improperly delaying the recognition of income, it created a cookie jar of reserves. And by improperly classifying certain derivatives, it was able to spread out losses over many years instead of recognizing them immediately.

In the cookie-jar ploy, Fannie set aside an artificially large cash reserve. And — presto — in any quarter its managers could reach into that jar to compensate for poor results or add to it to dampen good ones. This ploy, according to Ofheo (Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight), gave Fannie "inordinate flexibility" in reporting the amount of income or expenses over reporting periods.

This flexibility also gave Fannie the ability to manipulate earnings to hit — within pennies — target numbers for executive bonuses. Ofheo details an example from 1998, the year the Russian financial crisis sent interest rates tumbling. Lower rates caused a lot of mortgage holders to prepay their existing home mortgages. And Fannie was suddenly facing an estimated expense of $400 million.

Well, in its wisdom, Fannie decided to recognize only $200 million [of losses], deferring the other half. That allowed Fannie's executives — whose bonus plan is linked to earnings-per-share — to meet the target for maximum bonus payouts. The target EPS for maximum payout was $3.23 and Fannie reported exactly . . . $3.2309. This bull's-eye was worth $1.932 million to then-CEO James Johnson, $1.19 million to then-CEO-designate Franklin Raines, and $779,625 to then-Vice Chairman Jamie Gorelick.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB109684359646434797.html?mod=Review-Outlook-US

43 posted on 09/15/2008 1:07:40 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: volunbeer
You think leftist institutions, that are built on foundations of flim-flam theft are going to teach their sheeple how to recognize thieving?

Please.

44 posted on 09/15/2008 1:09:49 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Pelham
With the dollar declining for years, third worlders bought lots of gold. A lot of gold mining production has come on line, gold use is slowing, gold drops.

Like in a market.

Oil is going to 50 by the end of the year.( It's dropping around a dollar a day)

45 posted on 09/15/2008 1:13:45 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: CaspersGh0sts

So very, very true.


46 posted on 09/15/2008 1:14:59 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I will be glad when Bush retires. He has been a spending machine, he can’t help himself. He makes Clinton look like a conservative on the economy.


47 posted on 09/15/2008 1:55:14 AM PDT by liliesgrandpa (Just out of curiosity, is there any possible GOP candidate that is too repugnant for you to support?)
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To: liliesgrandpa
He certainly has his share of blame. On the other hand, this is bigger than Bush. Clinton, Bush, Greenspan, Fed, and Wall St. are all into this together.
48 posted on 09/15/2008 1:58:42 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; All

Anyone listen to Pat Kiley...?

He had this pegged a long time ago.


49 posted on 09/15/2008 2:32:29 AM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Palin Power !!)
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To: Pelham

“the Church of Libertarian Economics”??

Whoa, hold on there- this is a result of Keynesian BS 101, not libertarianism. The global central banking system, a complete detachment from any real worth in our currencies, government intervention into markets of all kinds resulting in false price suppression or falsely sustained values, the list goes on— this is absolutely NOT libertarian philosophy.

Small government scenario- private banks issue their own currencies based on fiat, gold, commodity indices, whatever— and allow the market to decide which they’d like to use. Zero intervention by the Treasury Department, except to enforce standards of honesty. The badly run banks will go under and the currency holders will pay the price, meanwhile the market strengthens. That’s the (admittedly extremist) libertarian solution.


50 posted on 09/15/2008 3:58:03 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress. --John Adams)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Gold investors are confused too, but some think it’s an attempt at price suppression and manipulation. intersting article here: http://www.dollardaze.org/blog/?post_id=00456


51 posted on 09/15/2008 4:08:21 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress. --John Adams)
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To: givemELL
What recourse do people have with retirement accounts to avoid this fall? Would it be best to ride this out, or is this the last train stop?
52 posted on 09/15/2008 4:09:33 AM PDT by Heartland Mom (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Oh by the way- I personally think (and you know what that’s worth) that gold and ammo are the best investments going right now.


53 posted on 09/15/2008 4:09:47 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress. --John Adams)
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To: Leisler

That’s assuming the dollar doesn’t devalue any further.


54 posted on 09/15/2008 4:17:22 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress. --John Adams)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

U.S. money is fiat money.. We’re as broke as we want to be.. U.S. money is as tangible as you think it is..


55 posted on 09/15/2008 4:46:39 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Deflation? For the average blue collar worker, there's nothing but inflation everywhere. Their buck just doesn't go as far as it used to.

Ask him about his income. Both deflation and inflation are and will continue to be sporadic and variable. Inflation will hit the things you need like food and fuel and deflation will hit the things you don't need like big TV's.

But things got screwed up earlier this year with Goldman Sachs and others creating an oil bubble. That wasn't really inflation and the resulting bubble pop taking down oil and gold isn't really deflation. The main reason to hold gold is to pay for tomorrow's food and fuel. But if food and fuel are going down (and they will keep going down for now), then you don't need gold right now either.

The bottom line is that with our debt burden we are caught in an XOR scenario. Credit will evaporate with a Lehman chapter 11, so pure deflation. But then the Treasury is afraid of the systemic risk so they are infusing credit (pure inflation). IMO ultimately inflation is going to win, I think Bernanke has made that clear all along. Gold will see 1000 again next year and go well beyond after that.

56 posted on 09/15/2008 5:07:34 AM PDT by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: Leisler

Lower oil also makes gold cheaper to mine.


57 posted on 09/15/2008 5:09:12 AM PDT by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: ovrtaxt
attempt at price suppression

A lot of gold bugs don't understand (or admit) the connection with oil.

58 posted on 09/15/2008 5:11:00 AM PDT by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: ovrtaxt
That's assuming the dollar doesn't devalue any further.

In the long run the dollar is toast and we'll all be dead. But in the short run, the Euro is getting crushed by MBS that their banks bought, Russia and other factors. That is positive for the dollar. Also oil dropping is more positive for us than much of the world. So I wouldn't start shorting the dollar just yet.

59 posted on 09/15/2008 5:14:34 AM PDT by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: palmer

Please elaborate. Just the other day, I was wondering if there’s a chart that shows oil priced in gold.


60 posted on 09/15/2008 5:19:07 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress. --John Adams)
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