Posted on 09/12/2008 10:04:48 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
-"As president, John McCain will strongly support funding for promising research programs, including amniotic fluid and adult stem cell research and other types of scientific study that do not involve the use of human embryos". - www.johnmccain.com
You sir/ma'am, are absolutely full of crap. McCain has always supported embryonic stem cell research, and has never, ever backed off of it. What he does not support (and according to the article on his site, which you posted) is the CLONING of embryos for use in ebryonic stem cell research.
As to the greater issue at hand, see:
http://pewforum.org/religion08/compare.php?Issue=Stem_Cell_Research
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=11558
AND FROM HERE:
The American Spectator: "McCain: Still Awful on Stem Cells" by Anita Crane -Published 8/22/2008
Al of these are Conservative or Pro-life sites, hardly MSM.
Your accusations and declarations are wholly without merit. McCain is *not* a friend of the Pro-Life movement, and never has been.
Sorry, I had to leave for a moment.
Look, my apologies for getting heated on this topic to both you an politek. I am Catholic and pro-life in the Sarah Palin mode (not the McCain mode for consideration of ‘excess’ embryo research). If McCain’s position is different (now-as opposed to what has been stated earlier) and than what he has posted on his website, well, then I would prefer to hear him make the contradiction before I slam him on it.
In any case, I feel that we are literally splitting hairs here - what we are facing is that ‘all’ of the embryos lose if the wrong person gets into the white house.
It is so telling of fanatical idiots that they cannot comprehend that. We see what idiots you dolts are by merely asking if organs from a dead person should be usable to treat living people in need. That doesn't endorse killing people for organs, but it does recognize a pro-life perspective for the organs.
I am aware that John McCain is "somewhat" pro-life, and has a long history of supporting embryonic stem cell research along with other forms of stem cell research.
Embryonic stem cell research is the shedding of innocent blood and John McCain needs to repent of it. I'm praying that he does and that God would put people in his path to make him focus on that sin.
I’m not sure what Brian Rogers was doing with his statements. I know he isn’t McCain. He isn’t Palin. He could have been mistaken and hope he is.
McCain to me appears to be changing his position. He may not have fully changed it, but he is very open to other forms of research. I’m hopeful Governor Palin and the Republican base can keep him from doing stupid things. Not certain, but hopeful. In the worst case scenario, MANY more babies will live in a McCain presidency than an Obama one. If McCain were not able to finish his term, we would have a strongly pro-life President even on stem cells. If Obama weren’t able to, we wouldn’t have anything better on the other end. There isn’t a perfect ticket here, but there is one that is clearly superior to the other.
Me, I don’t need a personal phone call. Just accurate information. Perhaps this McCain guy messed up.Perhaps not.
I agree, McCain has supported it in the past. His position seems to be changing though for the better and we should welcome that change.
I’ve been writing pro-life essays for a deacde at Freerepublic. Do a search, fool.
The babies that are still being used need to be given proper burials - not still be in a labratory environment because "they were already dead".
Perhaps.
We should be casting our votes according to God's word, and not feeling like "we" are responsible for who gets into the White House. God is responsible for it. If we continue to allow "some" babies to be murdered because "most" are saved then we have lost our obedience to God.
You certainly are "colorful" with your language - which usually indicates someone who has already been vanquished in their position.
I'm not looking for "rational" decisions - I'm looking for "biblical" decisions.
Not impressed in the least - based on what I've read here.
Cut the name calling - you're showing your true self.
You’re not looking, you’ve already decided how God had better come down on your side of the issue.
Why don't you try defending your position from a biblical basis? I think that I know the reason - you can't.
If McCain announces his opposition to such taxpayer funded research and makes it a significant issue in his campaign, the multiplied millions of evangelicals and Catholics who have so far been uncharacteristically cool to his long record of anti-abortion votes and his agreeable position on right to life issues in general may finally give him the credit he's due and get on board his wagon in order to keep the most fervently pro-abortion, pro-PBA, pro-public-funded stem cell research, pro-gay " rights" major party nominee ever to run for president from being elected.
Sure, McCain divorced his first wife for reasons that are antithetical to Catholic doctrine, and are also unacceptable to most evangelicals as well. There are a number of other less publicized factors that have kept him out of first-line favor with both evangelical and Catholic voters, but they all know that no candidate's life story or his/her positions on moral and ethical matters are going to be right down the line with their own doctrinal views on every issue. On balance, I think his opposition to taxpayer funded stem cell research will help him more than hurt him. At least I hope so, because I want Obama kept far away from Oval Office-level power as much or even more so than evangelicals and Catholics combined want that same thing.
PALIN: You know, when you are running for office, your life is an open book, and you do owe it to Americans to talk about your personal opinion, which may end up being different than what the policy in an administration would be. My personal opinion is we should not create human life, create an embryo, and then destroy it for research if there are other options out there. And thankfully, again, not only are there other options, but we are getting closer and closer to finding a tremendous amount more of options, like, as I mentioned, the adult skin cell research. GIBSON: Embryonic stem cell research. John McCain has been supportive of it.
Nothing has changed. McCain does not deserve the Pro-life vote, and it offends me that it is being used so falsely. I will not let that happen.
Another straw man argument by those who don't want to - or can't - base their positions on the word of God.
Try again...
How do you bury a stem cell? It’s a cell. Now you are being unreasonable. Their temporal flesh, whatever existed, has been destroyed. Ain’t getting it back. The babies are with God. The lab didn’t destroy that. That’s their real essence. What was done to their bodies is done and unless you want to bury a bunch of slides and suspended liquid then you’re just being unreasonable at that point.
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