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Knox hit with gas shortage
knoxnews.com ^ | September 12, 2008 | Bill Brewer

Posted on 09/12/2008 3:15:20 AM PDT by don-o

Knoxville-area drivers are seeing more bags on gasoline pumps today as a petroleum shortage spreading throughout the Southeast hits local gas stations, groceries and convenience stores.

Refinery outages along the Gulf Coast in the wake of Hurricane Gustav have created severe shortages, causing retailers like Weigel's to scramble to keep their pumps flowing. And Hurricane Ike is bearing down on Texas, drawing a bead on North America's petroleum manufacturing capital of Houston and portending a worst-case scenario for dealers and consumers.

(Excerpt) Read more at knoxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; gasprices
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To: cva66snipe
That is true of most cities -- it is pipelined from the refinery.

There was a plan to build more refineries on closed military bases.

I would approve of that as long as:

1. They would be built in other parts of the country -- Carolinas/Georgia/Pennsylvania/Ohio/Indiana/Illinois or some other place. This would mean we did not have all our eggs in one basket (Texas-Louisiana-Mississippi Gulf Coast)
2. Allow for spare capacity so that we are operating at 70% to 80% of capacity.

And I would not mind if the government contracted this out to oil companies to do (I think the government would make a mess of it).

As a taxpayer, I found it very annoying to be gasoline lines in California in the 1970s because of the presidency of Jimmy Carter. I would not mind tax dollars be used to help prevent shortages of gasoline -- even if it is only for a week or two.

21 posted on 09/12/2008 3:57:32 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher
Time to call your local Congress-critter to DRILL HERE/DRILL NOW about ANWR. Need to get more oil refineries built elsewhere in the country.

Believe it or not we have some oil wells here in counties surrounding Knoxville. Mostly the counties to the north. That's where the coal seams are also.

22 posted on 09/12/2008 4:03:24 AM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: topher

The FED has plenty of land here that mostly likely would not be suitable for anything else but something like a refinery due to HAZMAT from the Oak Ridge weapons facilities. I’m talking about quite a few thousand acres too. Of course the same Kooks who come here every year to protest the weapons facilities likely wouldn’t like that either.


23 posted on 09/12/2008 4:08:29 AM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: Fresh Wind
All the more reason why we should be drilling off shore in places other than the Gulf of Mexico, and we should be building refineries somewhere other than in the Gulf states.

Absolutely correct!!! Some offshore drilling on both the east coast and west coast would provide greater security during times like this. I would also like to see us pursue oil shale and coal to liquids for the same reason.

24 posted on 09/12/2008 4:14:14 AM PDT by NRG1973
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To: cva66snipe
The current scheme and criteria for having built refineries was being close to oil supplies, i.e., Gulf Coast was close to Texas/Louisiana and offshore oil, as well as imported oil from Mexico and other places.

A pipeline from the Louisiana Superport could supply oil to new refineries in Tennessee/Northern Mississippi/Northern Alabama/Georgia/Kentucky.

Maybe there is already some Federal Land that can be used away from the Nuke labs in Tennessee. Huntsville is a NASA site, and I don't know if there are very many acres for NASA there.

But it would not be a problem to pump oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to other refineries -- provided the pipelines exist -- in cases where there are problems with Gulf Coast oil refineries.

One solution is to build several large refinery or several large refineries in various strategic spots across the country.

As an example,one place that comes to mind would be inland from Virginia Beach near Richmond.

A large refinery or several large refineries inland near Richmond would provide gasoline/diesel/petroleum products to Norfolk/Virginia Beach/Washington, DC/Philadelphia and points North. It should also be able to serve the Carolinas and maybe parts of Georgia as well as Tennessee and Kentucky as well as West Virginia...

Additionally, such refineries should be able to areas South as well.

25 posted on 09/12/2008 4:26:11 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher
A pipeline from the Louisiana Superport could supply oil to new refineries in Tennessee/Northern Mississippi/Northern Alabama/Georgia/Kentucky.

A short term answer would be to stop shipping crude oil, gasoline and diesel fuel into Florida.

After Florida starts offshore drilling they would be an asset not a liability when it comes to energy production.

Drill or you are part of the problem !

26 posted on 09/12/2008 4:46:09 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: freema
Just heard news that gas will be limited to $10 or 10 gallons (can’t remember) and prices will go up today.

We had stations limiting purchases to 10 gallons and long lines (30+ cars waiting) in many stations I saw yesterday afternoon in Chattanooga. I was told it was because the price was about to jump .40 to 50 cents by today.

27 posted on 09/12/2008 4:58:05 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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To: don-o

This shortage WILL have an impact on the election. Dems will use the MSM to put the blame on Repubs. The sheeple will fall in line and be aghast.


28 posted on 09/12/2008 5:28:35 AM PDT by albie
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To: topher

See also:

As refineries button up, fuel supplies cause concern
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2080698/posts

...Fuel supplies were already weakened after Hurricane Gustav knocked out about 15 percent of the nation’s refining capacity for several days.


29 posted on 09/12/2008 5:43:25 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: don-o

Hey Buddy,

I live rural. Gas went up $.10 here to $3.859 on Mon. night. Another increase will not be welcome here, but people will cope. Shortages will be another matter in rural areas.


30 posted on 09/12/2008 5:44:49 AM PDT by Roccus (Some day it'll all make sense.......................maybe.)
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To: topher

Last one, I promise:

Gas stations run short amid rush to fill up
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2080706/posts

Anne Peebles, spokeswoman for Shell’s retail division, said about 30 percent of Shell stations were out of gas Thursday afternoon, leaving the majority with fuel on hand.


31 posted on 09/12/2008 5:49:45 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: don-o
I checked locally a few gas stations.

The prices were raised about 20 cents at one, and about 40 cents at another.

One that still had gasoline at yesterday's price was out of gas, but a gasoline was just pulling into the station as I went by. This was a .

An Exxon and Shell both had gasoline, as well as another gasoline station (not a national brand).

But I am a short haul from refineries -- South Louisiana with refineries in Lake Charles 70 miles West, Baton Rouge 50 miles East, and New Orleans (about 100 miles Southeast).

32 posted on 09/12/2008 11:21:03 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Roccus; don-o
One problem is that a Houston Chronicle news article mentioned that SPOT prices for gasoline jumped $1.50 a gallon overnight.

It might be that some retailers will not pay the higher prices and will just run out. Or their suppliers will not pay the extra $1.50 gallon -- which is outrageous...

I hope 10 cents a gallon is all the increase you see...

33 posted on 09/12/2008 11:24:25 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher
Oops!

One that still had gasoline at yesterday's price was out of gas, but a gasoline tanker truck was just pulling into the station as I went by. This was a Valero Station (based in San Antonio, Texas).

34 posted on 09/12/2008 11:30:44 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: don-o

Weigel’s went up 30 cents this morning and the two I drove by were out of regular unleaded.


35 posted on 09/12/2008 11:49:28 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: tnlibertarian

Hearing reports of Appco stations dry in Johnson City


36 posted on 09/12/2008 1:48:20 PM PDT by don-o (Avoid the rush. Donate to FR today. Do the RIGHT thing.)
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To: cva66snipe

I read somewhere that the Cummins Terminal is down and that accounts for 1/3 of Knoxville’s gas.


37 posted on 09/12/2008 1:55:24 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: topher
It was very weird this afternoon. The station that said he was going up a dollar only went up 80 cents. It was a BP. But an Exxon north of Knoxville in Clinton went up a dollar while the guy across the street was 50 cents lower as were other stations.. Also noted two Shell stations located a half a mile a part same owners one was 50 cents different {higher} than the other. The expensive one being a dollar increase since yesterday evening.
38 posted on 09/12/2008 2:46:30 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: eyedigress
I read somewhere that the Cummins Terminal is down and that accounts for 1/3 of Knoxville’s gas.

That might account for it. I've never seen anything priced as wide like this. I live close to I-75's 122 exit. Stations along that strip all went up some 4.19 but Exxon, Phillips, and one Shell was 4.49-4.69. What was even more insane was people were buying the highest price.

39 posted on 09/12/2008 2:52:04 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: cva66snipe; don-o

This story explains alot:

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=63652&catid=2


40 posted on 09/12/2008 4:15:49 PM PDT by eyedigress
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