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Lies, Damned Lies And Sarah Palin
Atlantic ^ | 9/11/08 | Andrew 'Loafers' Sullivan

Posted on 09/11/2008 11:56:41 AM PDT by pissant

Patrick Ruffini admonishes the Dems:

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"The most important thing about a good attack is not the attack itself. It's baiting your opponent to respond the way you want him to respond, because only the things that come out of his mouth will ultimately stick.

Obama seems to be falling into the trap of response-centrism. If only they could respond the right way, they figure, all will be well. But it won't be. Because the game they are playing is reactive. Instead of changing the subject off Palin by launching some explosive new attack on McCain, all they do is respond, respond, respond. And the story, day after day, is Democratic Presidential nominee responds to Republican Vice Presidential nominee. The optics of that stink for them."

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Unless, in fact, this election is about Palin. And it has to be. She - along with the Iraq war - is the embodiment of McCain's claim to presidential judgment and experience. If she is a fraud, and has been proven a demonstrable liar in ways that a competent campaign would have vetted six months ago, McCain's campaign is over, and deserves to be over. As is the election. I don't see how we can know anything until she has answered a series of obvious, factual questions from the press corps about the truthfulness of her various statements in the public record.

Besides, Obama needs to respond to the insane and desperate lies being lobbed at him. He's not Dukakis. And he should also keep reminding voters that, unlike the McCain camp, who don't want to discuss the issues in this campaign, he does.

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KEYWORDS: 2008veep; andrewsullivan; hystericaldems; mccainpalin; palin; ruffini
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To: Cicero; All
re: "[Obama's not Dukakis"

So true, Andrew. So true. Obama's not Dukakis. He's much worse!

LOL. At least with Dukakis, who was also an ultra-lib, there was some actual track record as a Governor and previously a state legislator. There was some real record of (liberal) accomplishment even if we might disagree with or disdain what Dukakis stood for. But Obama is just an empty suit, and a thoroughly dishonest one at that.

I have to say that it is fun to watch Andrew Sullivan and other libs in total freakin' meltdown mode.

21 posted on 09/11/2008 12:17:35 PM PDT by Enchante ("Troopergate" = Obama Democrats Working Hard to Smear Governor Palin in a Non-Scandal)
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To: pissant

22 posted on 09/11/2008 12:20:11 PM PDT by Bobalu (Obama cannot win without the kind of people that Palin appeals to.)
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To: pissant
If she is a fraud, and has been proven a demonstrable liar in ways that a competent campaign would have vetted six months ago, McCain's campaign is over, and deserves to be over

Is the opposite true? If it is proven that Palin is a demonstrable teller of the truth and was competently vetted six months ago, will Andrew Sullivan throw his full support to McCain?
24 posted on 09/11/2008 12:29:13 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Jesse Jackson talks about neutering Obama, but Sarah Palin actually delivers.)
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To: pissant

Governor Palin to DemoLeft and their slanderers(MSM).

“I’m gonna knock you out
Mama said knock you out
I’m gonna knock you out
Mama said knock you out
I’m gonna knock you out
Mama said knock you out
I’m gonna knock you out
Mama said knock you out!”


25 posted on 09/11/2008 12:29:15 PM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: pissant
this election is about Palin. And it has to be

Briar Patch, briar patch....

26 posted on 09/11/2008 12:34:29 PM PDT by swarthyguy ( I assume that she wants to be treated the same way that guys want -Obama.)
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To: Gumdrop
It’s a sure sign of panic when the Democrats rely on the Press Corp to rescue their candidate!

Since Obama is the creation of the Press Corps, of course they have to rescue him. They seem to believe they can just pick an absurd Silly Person at random and create their own president out of it. Dukakis. Gore. Kerry. (Was in Vietnam, reporting for duty, the People are so stupid they will blindly vote for a JFK from Massachusetts, even if it is the name of a stray dog.)

And now this creature. Let's name the strategy: "We will pick a minority, pump it up, and no one will DARE vote against it."

27 posted on 09/11/2008 12:35:42 PM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: what_not2007
“Obama reminds me of something in a boa constrictor’s grasp. The more it squirms, the tighter the squeeze.”

What a great analogy!

28 posted on 09/11/2008 12:43:13 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: AU72
"Except maybe for a swine flu vaccine."

LOL Wouldn't that swine have to have lipstick?

29 posted on 09/11/2008 12:43:35 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Palin for President! (PUMA))
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To: pissant

Obama and Ayres have come pretty close to winning over the voters, using Saul Alinsky’s techniques of divide and conquer. Alinsky obviously didn’t teach them “if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all” and “loose lips sink ships”.


30 posted on 09/11/2008 1:04:22 PM PDT by peridot
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To: pissant
The Meltdowns RAGE on.....

To paraphrase George Will, "It's impossible to overstate how funny it is to listen to Democrats these days wondering, 'What happened?'"

31 posted on 09/11/2008 1:11:53 PM PDT by stevem
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To: peridot

God, Andrew Sullivan sucks, doesn’t he???


32 posted on 09/11/2008 1:15:22 PM PDT by johnnycap
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To: peridot

God, Andrew Sullivan sucks, doesn’t he???


33 posted on 09/11/2008 1:15:28 PM PDT by johnnycap
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To: pissant
I think the opposition still does not understand that the grown ups consider character more than anything else.

Issues are important, but issues also change, as our opinions and what should be done about them also do (these things are fluid).
But character is enduring. And Mr Obama, you neither have, or can ever hope to obtain the character Sen. McCain or Gov. Palin have in their little pinky fingers.
34 posted on 09/11/2008 1:16:11 PM PDT by phs3 (Call a terrorist a freedom fighter, I call you the enemy.)
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To: Nonstatist
Isn't Poofter Sullivan the one who started the rumor that Trig was Bristol's child?

Yes, that is correct!

35 posted on 09/11/2008 2:06:06 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: pissant

>>Besides, Obama needs to respond to the insane and desperate lies being lobbed at him.<<

Good point.

Please list lies here:
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Well?!


36 posted on 09/11/2008 2:25:43 PM PDT by RobRoy (This is comical)
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To: Frapster
We don’t have to say it but once and they confirm it through repetition. A good troll technique I use on my gaming forums. :-)

Good analysis. Now you can go back to your Wii-Sports-Machine/XboxRRoD/PSnobodyboughtme. :-)

37 posted on 09/11/2008 2:42:00 PM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: dan1123

pah - i don’t have a console. I used to play WoW (World of Warcraft) but no more.


38 posted on 09/11/2008 6:27:22 PM PDT by Frapster (McCain / Palin 2008!)
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To: pissant

Andrew ‘Loafers’ Sullivan

Heh heh heh....
As in “light” in the Loafers ?


39 posted on 09/12/2008 10:13:14 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: pissant
If she is a fraud, and has been proven a demonstrable liar in ways that a competent campaign would have vetted six months ago, McCain's campaign is over, and deserves to be over. As is the election. I don't see how we can know anything until she has answered a series of obvious, factual questions from the press corps about the truthfulness of her various statements in the public record.

If she Obama is a fraud, and has been proven a demonstrable liar in ways that a competent campaign would have vetted six months ago, McCain's Obama's campaign is over, and deserves to be over. As is the election. I don't see how we can know anything until she Obama has answered a series of obvious, factual questions from the press corps about the truthfulness of her his various statements in the public record.

As we say on FR, "There, fixed it."

40 posted on 09/12/2008 10:22:20 AM PDT by happygrl
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