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To: BroJoeK
"I still have absolutely no idea what your point was."

Ditto your point.

My point was that, although I believe that FDR did feel that U.S. involvement in World War II was best for the future survival of the Free World, that FDR did NOT have actionable intelligence that pin-pointed specifically: Pearl Harbor, 7 December, 1941.

It is not enough to know from Japanese code intercepts that the Japanese were planning an attack on "AF" in June 1942. Only after intercepting the Japanese message "AF is short of water" after the U.S. sent a false, uncoded message that the Midway distillation plant was out of service did the U.S. know that the Japanese were planning an attack on Midway, SPECIFICALLY.

What. When. Where.

That is what is needed to react to a specific threat. Simply knowing that the Japanese are planning something is as useless as knowing that, right now, Osama bin Ladin has a plan to attack the U.S. some day, somewhere, somehow.

You can't be on full alert defending everything, everywhere, every day.

"He who defends everything, defends nothing." ...... Frederick the Great

Do you believe that FDR had the exact "What-When-Where" of the 7 December 1941 Pearl Harbor attack?

The conspiracy theorists believe so. I do not.

If FDR had know the the exact "What-When-Where" of the 7 December 1941 Pearl Harbor attack, a Battle of Midway style ambush would have awaited the Japanese and FDR would had had BOTH his desired War and his desired Victory all on the same day.

Could things have been done better in regards to communications, preparations, etc.?

You betcha!

However, each new generation of "War Commander Rookies" tends to get their clocks cleaned in their first Real World test whether it be at First Bull Run or at Kasserine Pass.

78 posted on 09/12/2008 9:02:10 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
"Do you believe that FDR had the exact "What-When-Where" of the 7 December 1941 Pearl Harbor attack?"

No, of course not. But the evidence suggests he knew quite a bit more than you imply. In fact, the evidence suggests the US government knew enough to have issued a much clearer "war warning" than they did.

Remember, at the time Kimmel and Short were crucified for their failure to heed the "war warning" sent them. But a careful examination of the "warning" along with their actions shows they did exactly what was expected of them.

That's why, in recent years they were exonerated by the US Congress. The real problem was not Kimmel & Short, it was the warning they received.

The evidence suggests that FDR & Marshall knew enough to have given them a much clearer warning.

79 posted on 09/12/2008 10:49:02 AM PDT by BroJoeK (A little historical perspective....)
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