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Biden Gets Theology Lesson on Abortion From Bishops
Fox News / AP ^ | September 10, 2008

Posted on 09/10/2008 1:45:32 AM PDT by Zakeet

Two prominent U.S. Catholic bishops said Tuesday that Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden contradicted church teaching by saying in a weekend interview that determining when human life begins is a “personal and private” matter of religious faith he would not impose on others.

The statement from Cardinal Justin Rigali and Bishop William Lori said Biden, who appeared Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” is the latest case of the U.S. Catholic hierarchy correcting a Catholic politician.

Asked on the program about when life begins, Biden said: “Look, I know when it begins for me. It’s a personal and private issue. For me, as a Roman Catholic, I am prepared to accept the teachings in my church.”

He added that while he believes life begins “at the moment of conception,” it would inappropriate to impose that view on others in a pluralistic society.

The bishops said Biden was right to say human life begins at conception. But the church “does not teach this as matter of faith; it acknowledges it as a matter of objective fact,” they said.

“Protection of innocent human life is not an imposition of personal religious conviction but a demand of justice,” they added.

A spokesman for Biden did not immediately respond Tuesday to requests for comment.

(Excerpt) Read more at elections.foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; biden; catholic

Barry isn't the only one stepping in it these days.

1 posted on 09/10/2008 1:45:33 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

If you believe life begins at conception,...

And you still advance the premise that it is a matter of “personal choice” to destroy that life while it’s inside the mother,...

Including the late terms of pregnancy,...

What does that make you,...?


2 posted on 09/10/2008 1:56:58 AM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: incredulous joe
What does that make you,...?

A liberal... Logical people need not apply.
3 posted on 09/10/2008 2:25:01 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Zakeet

So Bidens point is that he does know that abortion is the killing of a baby, he just lacks the moral fortitude to stand on his convictions.

That about sums it up doesn’t it?


4 posted on 09/10/2008 3:18:25 AM PDT by SampleMan (Community Organizer: What liberals do when they run out of college, before they run out of Marxism.)
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USCCB Responds to Biden

WASHINGTON-Cardinal Justin F. Rigali, chairman of the U.S. Bishops’ Committee on Pro-Life Activities, and Bishop William E. Lori, chairman, U.S. Bishops Committee on Doctrine, issued the following statement:

Recently we had a duty to clarify the Catholic Church’s constant teaching against abortion, to correct misrepresentations of that teaching by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on “Meet the Press” (see www.usccb.org/prolife/whatsnew.shtml). On September 7, again on “Meet the Press,” Senator Joseph Biden made some statements about that teaching that also deserve a response.

Senator Biden did not claim that Catholic teaching allows or has ever allowed abortion. He said rightly that human life begins “at the moment of conception,” and that Catholics and others who recognize this should not be required by others to pay for abortions with their taxes.

However, the Senator’s claim that the beginning of human life is a “personal and private” matter of religious faith, one which cannot be “imposed” on others, does not reflect Catholic teaching. The Church teaches that the obligation to protect unborn human life rests on the answer to two questions, neither of which is private or specifically religious.

The first is a biological question: When does a new human life begin? When is there a new living organism of the human species, distinct from mother and father and ready to develop and mature if given a nurturing environment? While ancient thinkers had little verifiable knowledge to help them answer this question, today embryology textbooks confirm that a new human life begins at conception (see http://www.usccb.org/prolife/issues/bioethic/fact298.shtml). The Catholic Church does not teach this as a matter of faith; it acknowledges it as a matter of objective fact.

The second is a moral question, with legal and political consequences: Which living members of the human species should be seen as having fundamental human rights, such as a right not to be killed? The Catholic Church’s answer is: Everybody. No human being should be treated as lacking human rights, and we have no business dividing humanity into those who are valuable enough to warrant protection and those who are not. Even this is not solely a Catholic teaching, but a principle of natural law accessible to all people of good will. The framers of the Declaration of Independence pointed to the same basic truth by speaking of inalienable rights, bestowed on all members of the human race not by any human power, but by their Creator. Those who hold a narrower and more exclusionary view have the burden of explaining why we should divide humanity into the moral “haves” and “have-nots,” and why their particular choice of where to draw that line can be sustained in a pluralistic society. Such views pose a serious threat to the dignity and rights of other poor and vulnerable members of the human family who need and deserve our respect and protection.

While in past centuries biological knowledge was often inaccurate, modern science leaves no excuse for anyone to deny the humanity of the unborn child. Protection of innocent human life is not an imposition of personal religious conviction but a demand of justice.

5 posted on 09/10/2008 4:02:23 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: DelphiUser

“What does that make you,...?”

You’re too kind; I was thinking “a ghoul”, “evil”, “an agent of Satan”?


6 posted on 09/10/2008 5:01:04 AM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: incredulous joe
You’re too kind; I was thinking “a ghoul”, “evil”, “an agent of Satan”?

Same difference... >;-D
7 posted on 09/10/2008 7:05:44 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser

LOL ;0) You are one of those mean, judgemental conservatives!


8 posted on 09/10/2008 7:36:52 AM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: SampleMan
So Bidens point is that he does know that abortion is the killing of a baby, he just lacks the moral fortitude to stand on his convictions.

If Palin can somehow inject that into an upcoming debate, she could have poor Joe fuming mad. When he gets mad, that won't be good for him!

9 posted on 09/10/2008 10:11:38 AM PDT by Lou L
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To: Zakeet
These apply to biden as well as to Pelosi.

Thursday, September 04, 2008

Updated: American Bishops who have spoken against Pelosi

Here is the complete list of American bishops who have responded to Nancy Pelosi's comments so far:
  1. Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver was the first American bishop to respond
  2. ... Bishop James Conley, his auxiliary, joined him
  3. Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington DC responded twice, first in a press release and second in a statement to The Hill. He has also appeared on Fox News, I am told.
  4. Cardinal Justin Regali of Philadelphia, chairman of the Committee on Pro-Life Activities, issued this statement through the USCCB website...
  5. ... Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, chairman of the Committee on Doctrine, joined him
  6. Cardinal Edward Egan of New York publised a strongly worded statement of his own
  7. Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo issued a letter correcting Pelosi's claims
  8. Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh and...
  9. ... Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs have chimed-in
  10. Archbishop Jose Gomez of San Antonio, CNA reports has added his voice ...
  11. ... Bishop Oscar Cantu, his auxiliary bishop, has joined him
  12. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville has published an extensive letter
  13. Bishop Edward Slatter of Tulsa adds himself to the list
  14. Bishop Kevin Farrell of Dallas has joined the USCCB's efforts
  15. Bishop Gregory Aymond of Austin is on-board
  16. Bishop James Slattery of Tulsa has a detailed response
  17. Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston mentions the USCCB on his blog
  18. Bishop Thomas Wenski of Orlando has written at length
  19. Archbishop John Nienstedt of Saint Paul/Minneapolis challenges Pelosi's statement
  20. Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, President of the US Bishops, has weighed-in
  21. Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker, OR publishes in the Catholic Sentinel
  22. Bishop Jerome Listecki of La Crosse, WI responds in a word document
  23. Bishop Richard Lennon of Cleveland, OH will comment in his September 5th column (PDF)
  24. Bishop Ralph Nickless of Sioux City, IA has one of the very best responses I've read
  25. Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco has invited Pelosi to a "conversation"

{Last updated on September 9th.}

Note: #23 has been removed. Bishop Joseph Gossman of Raleigh, NC is actually the bishop emeritus, and the new bishop, Michael Burbidge has not, to my knowledge, made a personal statement.


10 posted on 09/10/2008 10:43:13 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; All
Click on the 'Church Teachings link for the Catholic doctrine.

Our Lady's Warriors.Dissent>Speakers and Authors

Abortion and Euthanasia

Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE) Catholic politician who votes for abortion in contradiction to Church teachings. One of American Life League's "Deadly Dozen."

11 posted on 09/10/2008 10:44:55 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Zakeet
...is the latest case of the U.S. Catholic hierarchy correcting a supposedly Catholic politician.

Fixed it.

12 posted on 09/10/2008 10:45:48 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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