Posted on 09/09/2008 2:44:52 AM PDT by drzz
"a quarter of Hillary Clinton's supporters are ready to vote for McCain."
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
Obama will lose older white Democrats in droves. They’ll sit on their hands or vote for McCain.
All the leftist blogs are saying that nothing has changed, this is all just a bounce, that American women are going to FLOCK to Obama and that basically Sarah handed the election to them. Yes, they are STILL saying that!
Of course, our bounce might come down a bit (but maybe not). But it is fascinating watching the left live in utter denial at this moment. Then again, the left has a thing about wishful thinking and “let’s pretend”.
IF this is true Obama lost.
Even if it’s only a third of that percentage Obama is in serious do-do.
“All the leftist blogs are saying that nothing has changed”
We were hearing grumbles that Dem Internal polling was showing REAL TROUBLE for Obama, even BEFORE the Convention and Palin.
(Stephanopolous-”Internal polling I’ve seen has Obama down by as much as 12 points”)
If that is the case, his Internal Polling must be telling him IT’S OVER by now.
He’s pulled Advertising from the South, word getting out that Messiah Fundraising is collapsing, and NOW Obama is begging the Clinton 527’s he once spurned for help...
I don't have any info on that, but for a few days now I've been seeing things shape up that will be bad news for Obama.
I think this election is not at all like traditional Dem/Repub elections--at least here in the Northeast. It seems to be shaping up more along the lines of the mayoral races we often see in the big Northeast cities (Giuliani vs. Dinkins in NYC, Street vs. Katz in Philly, etc.). Voters in the NE urban areas are very polarized along racial lines...regardless of party.
If Obama gets tagged as the "black candidate" in many of these cities, ethnic Union Democrats may well not support him and will support the Republican white candidate instead. That's a little ugly aspect of the Dem party right now, but anyone in the urban NE knows what I'm talking about.
If that indeed does happen--and I think that Hillary was already alluding to this in the primary when she said flat out that Obama couldn't carry core Dem constituencies--Obama is finished. To win states like Pennsylvania he needs a massive Dem turnout in the cities and suburbs to offset McCain's sizable majorities in the rural areas. Obama needs Union Democrats in places like Scranton, Pittsburgh & Philly. If McCain is siphoning off Union Democrats, I can't see any way Obama can pull this off.
Nice take.
“the left has a thing about wishful thinking and “let’s pretend”.”
No....
The left has a brigade of THOUGHT POLICE on Blogs like KOS that do not allow anything other than today’s approved Groupthink to stay posted for long...
It can't hurt that Palin has a Union husband.
Speaking for Pennsylvania, blue-collar union democrats are going to contribute to a sizable Bradley/Wilder effect.
The only hope they still have left is if Palin absolutely BOMBS in the debate. I have to say that I saw her debate for the Governorship on Cspan the other day, and I was not very impressed. She didn’t answer questions directly. I assume they’re helping her and I know she’s a quick study....But I also think Obama is going to bomb during the debates..he’s teeting on the brink right now. He is frustrated and it shows...he doesn’t like to lose because he doesn’t know how to lose. I don’t trust people who have never lost antyhing.
Thanks
This is great news,but in fairness we have to ask how many of these beast “voters” were Operation Chaos voters. :-)
Indeed! My relatives in PA fit that demographic to a tee: loyal Democrats, ethnic, blue-collar, pro-Union, pro-Hillary. One of them told me flat out that he couldn’t stand Obama.
Course, it’s probably hopeless in my land of exile here in NJ. :)
Good point! Hadn't thought of that. They will identify more with him then they will with Obama. Biden they would probably like too, but he's not at the top of the ticket.
Oh, and further, now that I see it, it is simply amazing that they would bury such an important piece of information so deeply in the article.
And on further thought, it is also completely unsurprising.
Heck, even the Clintons and the Clintonistas aren’t gonna vote for Obama...
ruins Clinton’s plans to run in 2012 if Obama is elected POTUS.
If this is true, and I highly suspect it is, there is no way Fauxbama can win. I believe 1/4 to 1/3 of Hillary voters will go McCain/Palin. And that measures out to 4.5 Million to 6 Million voters, and many of them are in “Battleground” states, Where Hillary won the primaries.
If there is any validity to this poll at all, Fauxbama cannot win this election, as long as the conservative and republican base show up reasonably for him, you are looking at a route. Even if Fauxbama does not collapse before election day, which I fully expect him to do.
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