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1 posted on 09/08/2008 11:29:59 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: Brookhaven; PennsylvaniaMom

Great minds ...


2 posted on 09/08/2008 11:35:04 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("McCain and Palin: The Normal People Revolution" ~ rrrod)
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To: Brookhaven

I can see the writer’s point, and there may be behind some of the media hype, but it’s not driving it.


3 posted on 09/08/2008 11:35:26 AM PDT by bcsco (Sarah America! Ignore the lipstik at your peril!)
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To: Brookhaven

> Rather, this presents an opportunity to reach out to all who have been wounded by their participation in abortion with love and compassion.

A bit late for that. The only people “wounded” by their participation in abortion are permanently unavailable to receive love and compassion.

Abortionists: always a day late and a dollar short when it comes to love and compassion. ‘Strewth!


4 posted on 09/08/2008 11:36:53 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Brookhaven
It is important to make the distinction that to affirm the value of the unborn in no way condemns those who have experienced the pain of abortion.

Absolutely true.

However, I'm convinced that a lot of strident left-wingers are acting out of their own self-hatred. Many of these people have abortions in their past and they feel guilty about it. As a self-defense mechanism, they become very hard-over on the importance of abortion. "It's legal. It's right. There is no shame in what I did." Now, if the country were to decide that 40 million abortions was a holocaust, these people would have to come to grips with their past.

I believe that Sarah Palin (just by living her life) is a strong repudiation of the choices these people have made. They hate her for it. It's nothing she says. It's just the fact that she embraces life, and they know that they have embraced death.

Reaching out to these people in a spirit of reconciliation is the right thing to do -- but I bet that will often fan the flames of their hatred (which is self-hatred, re-directed against conservatives as a defense mechanism).

5 posted on 09/08/2008 11:39:34 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: Brookhaven
Certainly this drives many of the pro-abortion women. It's part of the equation.

When I saw the image of Palin holding her Down's Syndrome son in her arms I immediately said to my wife, "Wow, so many women who aborted Down's Syndrome babies must be thinking about their abortions now."

6 posted on 09/08/2008 11:47:00 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Brookhaven

Sarahs’ experience with Trig may inspire a lot of women to not have an abortion. Who knows. She may have saved hundreds maybe thousands of lives.


12 posted on 09/08/2008 11:57:04 AM PDT by beckysueb (Drill here! Drill now!)
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To: Brookhaven
I strongly believe this. Actually, it was the first thing in my mind when I saw Palin with her beautiful baby.

The vast majority of women who aborted Down’s babies had to feel a pang when Sarah talked about her “perfectly beautiful baby boy”. There is no way any woman with a heart didn't hear that and look at that picture, and deep inside, didn't feel deep emotion.

The thing is, people of conscience feel grief and regret. But superlibs feel anger and avoidance. I know, I've seen it. I've seen girlfriends who have had abortions unable to talk to me after I had my baby. They have to justify, and no matter what, they end up feeling, at the least, weak.

In some people that translates to hate and rejection. They project, thinking such a person is responsible for their twisted feelings and is purposely making them unhappy and uncomfortable.

Because, no matter how they cover it up, they destroyed their child to be because they couldn't handle it somehow. They can't get away from that.

15 posted on 09/08/2008 12:15:00 PM PDT by I still care (A thousand screaming Germans, some fake columns and swooning girly-men does not a campaign make.)
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To: Brookhaven

I have to add, IMHO, when you see women anchors and commentators going absolutely berserk over Sarah Palin, those are the ones that had abortions they knew they didn’t really have to have.


17 posted on 09/08/2008 12:17:12 PM PDT by I still care (A thousand screaming Germans, some fake columns and swooning girly-men does not a campaign make.)
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To: Brookhaven

The baby at the heart of the born alive legislation in Illinois had Downs Syndrome. That child of god was aborted but survived. The hospital did not offer medical help.

Obama felt that was the right thing to do because the mother did not want the child.

Pro life or pro choice, Obama clearly has no soul.


30 posted on 09/08/2008 12:52:13 PM PDT by Carley (she's all out of caribou.............)
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To: Brookhaven

My niece decided not to go through testing. She didn’t even want to know the sex until all us aunties told her we needed to know so we could buy pink (hopefully since we have lots of boys) stuff. And I had to know the name to put on the Christmas stocking.


44 posted on 09/08/2008 2:11:14 PM PDT by Mercat (Global warming doesn't kill polar bears, Sarah Palin does, with her bare hands)
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To: Brookhaven; kanawa

Ping.


50 posted on 09/08/2008 5:00:19 PM PDT by fanfan (SCC:Canadians have constitutional protection to all opinions, as long as they are based on the facts)
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To: Brookhaven

Abortion is driving it but not any guilt.

most strident pro-abortion women and fembots I’ve known have no guilt over killing their babies

they only feel relief

just look at their rallies

the women who feel guilt are the ones who had an abortion young and then had children later and realized what they had done...them and the men who came to the same realization...there are a lot of folks like that.... probably a lot right here on FR I’d wager


61 posted on 09/08/2008 11:41:44 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama/Pol Pot 2008)
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To: Brookhaven
"We are not heroes because we have children with Down syndrome."

Perhaps, but we are villains if we kill them.

62 posted on 09/08/2008 11:48:47 PM PDT by Silly (PalinLove.com)
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To: Brookhaven
"When an issue strikes at a deeply repressed sensitive wound in a person, often the initial reaction is anger."

There are some thought provoking points in this article. Great post.

I hope the Sarah is ready to handle the abortion questions. I fully expect the MSM to ask this:

"If your daughter were raped and wanted an abortion, would you let her get one?" She needs to answer in a way that cuts straight to the heart of the matter.

While it is difficult to see why she shouldn't get an abortion, it goes back to the whole argument in the first place.

Does the life of a baby in his/her mother's womb, have value? Regardless of how the baby was conceived? Or in another example: whether the baby has a defect or not?. Sarah can talk about what she might do in her own family- But the real question is: What is the implication of abortion for our whole society?

How many millions of people are not here today, because they were aborted? Is it necessarily a good thing that we are automatically disposing of babies deemed "not perfect" based on the results of some test? How many "not perfect" people have there been, who have made invaluable contributions to our lives, both personally, and to the world? How many inspiring, heroic, stories are there about such people? Does each life matter?

What about Barak Obama's not supporting the infants born alive (after abortion), legislation? No one needs to demonize him (Barak) about that, because logically, it makes sense. If the mother has decided to take the life of her child, it doesn't matter if the child survives the abortion,he baby should be left to die, because that is what the mother decided would be the fate. I can see the logic there.

The question is: Do we want this for our nation?- A true story exaampe- a baby just like Trigg, survives abortion, but is left to die in a dirty linen bin. A Nurse found him there and held him for 45 min til he died. There was some good that came out of the sad loss of that little baby.

When the nurse, at the clinic, found this child , she had to open her eyes and see the truth- It wasn't a "blob of tissue" in that bin. It was an injured, disabled baby, fighting to live. Because her eyes were opened, she went on to help bring about change in the laws, so that babies who survive late term abortions, can receive medical attention. Such a horrible story makes you wonder how any mother could do such a thing. But lashing out doesn't work.

It might be easy to place ALL blame on the mothers, but putting down women who have had abortions, even late term, inflames the issue. Also, it can trigger the post abortion depression/guilt, mentioned in this article- Which does no good for either side.

Not wanting to be subjected to pain and guilt, the- pro choicer's will refuse to listen to our side- Then we are back at square one; where we are screaming at each other, and getting no where.

(IMO-the majority of women who have abortions are tricked into thinking it's "the easy way out" and "no big deal". They don't realize the truth until after it's over.)

I am not against abortion per se. I am pro choice, but not pro deceit.

If a woman wants an abortion- she needs to be fully informed about it. No "blob of tissue" easy way out, sales pitches.

She should see the ultra sound, hear the babies heart beat, and have to think about at least one week before she can do it. No one should be deceived about what an abortion is.

The woman should be told in no uncertain terms: Abortion is the taking of the life of your child. It is NOT a "blob of tissue". It's a baby. Your baby, who would have grown from infant, to toddler, to school age child, to teenager to adult. It's a "big deal" and will affect you, the mother, for the rest of your life( and in many cases the father too ,knows in the back of his mind that he had a child he failed , who wasn't allowed to live.)

Women should be told that there are far less painful options, than abortion. Why do we only talk about the "permanent solution," , for an unwanted pregnancy?

If the woman doesn't want to want to raise the baby- there are thousands of families waiting for a baby to love. Adoption. Adoption as a possible solution for an unwanted pregnancy - At least the child has a chance to live. All the previous examples lead to the main point .

The most important point to be made, is that all these issues need to be talked about OPENLY and HONESTLY.

WE MUST HAVE A NATIONAL DIALOGUE ABOUT ABORTION, AND DECIDE AS A PEOPLE, WHAT WE WILL DO.

Our citizens need to be educated that if Roe V. Wade is overturned IT DOES NOT MEAN THE END OF ABORTION- IT WILL LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE AND VOTE ON IT ( at the state level)- NOT 7 SUPREME COURT JUSTICES DECIDING FOR THE WHOLE NATION, WHAT THE POLICY WILL BE.

This is what needs to be brought out to our citizenry, and I say IT'S ABOUT TIME.

God bless the Palins for being the living examples of the pro life message. Pray for them and for the McCains.

63 posted on 09/09/2008 2:52:32 AM PDT by Pajamajan (Pray for president Bush. Pray for our troops. Pray for congress, Pray for our nation.)
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To: Brookhaven; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...

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74 posted on 10/04/2008 3:55:16 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

75 posted on 10/04/2008 3:56:27 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

76 posted on 10/04/2008 3:57:20 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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Pinged from Terri Dailies

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84 posted on 10/05/2008 2:57:04 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Brookhaven; Aquinasfan; Coleus; firebrand
I remember reading some years back that the post-abortive women who suffer the most guilt are those who comprise the so-called “hard cases”: rape, incest, threats to the mother’s physical health, or the diagnosis of a genetic defect such as Down Syndrome. I don’t know what evidence the writer used to support that claim, but I remember thinking at the time that it seems entirely plausible. These women may be more aware than their counterparts who abort for “social reasons” (a.k.a. convenience) that there really is a child in there, and abortion would not be a choice they would make under more common circumstances. On the other hand, many women who simply decide they do not want a child and would prefer to see their offspring dead than raised by someone else are clearly thinking only of themselves, and with some exceptions seem less likely to develop a conscience after the fact. JMO
86 posted on 10/05/2008 8:04:16 AM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: Brookhaven; NYer
“If Bristol Palin had quietly aborted....The problem would have quietly gone away.”

WRONG. Opposition would have found out the way demons see all sin and only sin. The possessed would have know and voiced this to the discomfort of Bristol and those trying to cover the secret abortion. The public would have found out the way a hacker got into Gov. Palin's email. Opposition would called Pro-Life champions hypocrites; but, this is not what has happened.

The defense of the unborn child means that the opposition are left cupping their ears, shutting their eyes, and screaming profanity the way St Stephen's murderers reacted to the Beatific vision.

88 posted on 10/05/2008 11:28:44 AM PDT by SaltyJoe (Pro Life from conception to natural death)
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