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A Diversi-loonie ripoff of others' work - they even link to the "full story" in the New York el Tiempos and Chicago Tribune. And good luck to those who try to make sense out of that last sentence excerpted. I think I got what the author meant, but it took a few tries.
1 posted on 09/06/2008 7:38:27 AM PDT by flowerplough
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To: flowerplough

This is the equivalent of “everybody lies about sex.”


2 posted on 09/06/2008 7:39:29 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: flowerplough

Why would a politician vote “present”? It depends.

Like on his/her intelligence and effort to learn about the issues?


3 posted on 09/06/2008 7:41:06 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: flowerplough
Obama voted "present" 130 times

Out of how many votes? The statistic means little without context.

4 posted on 09/06/2008 7:41:31 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: flowerplough
Obama is like John Kerry - except he could never make up his mind!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 09/06/2008 7:42:48 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: flowerplough
Soros forgot to tell IT how to vote.:)
7 posted on 09/06/2008 7:45:13 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto!)
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To: flowerplough

This article votes “present”.


11 posted on 09/06/2008 7:50:54 AM PDT by Egon (The difference between Theory and Practice: In Theory, there is no difference.)
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To: flowerplough
Have there been any articles that compared Obama's present voting record versus the average for IL legislators? I'm curious if he was the worst at this practice, or one of the worst, or where his present voting record is compared to others.

Even if there were a lot of others voting present, and Obama wasn't the worst offender, I still think that the issue is damaging for him, but if he can be statistically shown to have been the worst, or near worst, present voter, it makes the issue that much more of a club to whup him upside his mush-filled head.

12 posted on 09/06/2008 7:53:24 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: flowerplough

The article (and many others) mentions “aides” and their explanation of things. Why does someone as omnipotent as he need so many aides and advisors? I want a president who can make decisions on his/her own and think for his/her self on personal questions.


13 posted on 09/06/2008 7:54:00 AM PDT by bonnieblue4me
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To: flowerplough

In the midst of an old article (circa 2000) on Chicago politics, here’s what voting “present” means to Obama in his own words:

The “present” votes, Obama speculates, were cast by Republicans “who were embarrassed, who knew this was something they should be voting,” but didn’t want to defy party leaders.

http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/000317/


17 posted on 09/06/2008 7:59:37 AM PDT by Velveeta
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The NYT article says voting “present” is a peculiar but acceptable vote in Illinois and that BHO did nothing more or different than his fellow Senators.
What they do not say, and something that is VERY important, is how many others with his few years in that body, have that many “present” votes on their record. Is that an aberration or average?

Anyone know?


18 posted on 09/06/2008 8:02:01 AM PDT by louie2
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The vote 'present' shows indifference. If a bill doesn't have what you like in it, you vote against it, EVEN IF IT CONTAINS ITEMS YOU SUPPORT. How many times have we seen this on the national stage?

The fundamental reason for having elected officials is to make the tough decisions.

20 posted on 09/06/2008 8:04:10 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Palin has run a state, city, and a business. NObama has only run his mouth.)
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I don’t want somebody who can’t make up his mind on a bill and votes present to be the one answering that phone at 3:00AM.

I want someone who has a very quick wit about them. Our lives and our families lives depend on that.


22 posted on 09/06/2008 8:08:37 AM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: flowerplough

Wow. Even I could be a journalist! All I have to do is write articles about other peoples’ articles.


24 posted on 09/06/2008 8:14:05 AM PDT by 2111USMC
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From http://www.enterprisemission.com/Chandra-NASA-Accusation.htm

What made all this really special was the fact that the same source also said (and in this same phone call ...) that both presidential campaigns — McCain’s and Obama’s — had just had similar briefings (part of the normal “national security” procedures for every about-to-be-elected president). And that McCain (because of his 26 years of Senate Armed Services and Intelligence Committtee experience ...) already knew most of what the briefing told him. The problem (so I was, again, “informed” ...) was with Obama:

He didn’t know whether to believe the briefing!

Obama’s major concern (according to this phone call) — given the mind-blowing, “history-changing” nature of the information (for most Americans ...) — was that he was being “gamed” by the Bush White House ... in a (literal) “mind-blowing attempt to set him up” ... for some kind of “credibility problem” in the campaign later on!


25 posted on 09/06/2008 8:19:14 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: flowerplough

Sounds like a typical politician.


26 posted on 09/06/2008 8:21:52 AM PDT by Lent
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To: flowerplough

You can’t expect this brilliant man with the new kind of intelligence (as per Mario Cuomo) to decide whether to vote yes or no.


28 posted on 09/06/2008 8:28:21 AM PDT by Carley (she's all out of caribou.............)
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30 posted on 09/06/2008 9:15:21 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (o=)
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To: flowerplough

Funny thing is, this WAS brought up during the primaries and went nowhere. Either Hillary’s campaign was really clueless or, from a media perspective, the fix was in.

Unfortunately it’s hard to bury a story when it’s mentioned in one of the most watched political speeches in US history.


32 posted on 09/06/2008 9:20:35 AM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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So rather than voting completely in favor of a measure--or voting to reject it--he instead chose to vote "present," so as not to affect the outcome of the final vote.

So rather than making a decision that could provide an actual record of his actions, he has established a firm record of indecisiveness.

33 posted on 09/06/2008 9:47:57 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (She has a stronger resume than Obama. She's been a real mayor, he hasn't. She has been a real govern)
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To: flowerplough

I’ve been trying to find out how common voting “Present” is in the Illinois legislature. It’s widely reported that Obama voted “Present” 130 times. But there were lots of votes, and it amounted to one “Present” vote for every 30 or so votes cast. You can also find out that he was alone or nearly alone in voting present on some bills that were otherwise passed unanimously. But I’d like to know how he stacks up against his Illinois legislative peers in regard to the “Present” vote. Is one out of 30 high, low average, or outa-sight?


36 posted on 09/19/2008 5:47:00 PM PDT by StACase (Global Warming is CRAP!)
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