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1 posted on 09/05/2008 10:16:19 AM PDT by george76
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Explaining Stalin’s motives.


2 posted on 09/05/2008 10:18:20 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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And God has acted rationally in sending Stalin to hell for eternity.


3 posted on 09/05/2008 10:21:36 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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Of course Stalin acted rationally.

Many sociopaths do.

Value (to him) of 20 million souls = 0.

Value (to him) of retaining his iron grip on power = EVERYTHING.

A simple equation.

Regards,


4 posted on 09/05/2008 10:24:00 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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“Historians believe up to 20 million people died as a result of his actions, “

A professor in Hawai’i claims it’s twice that number.

Chilling.

And why isn’t the name Beria tossed around like Hitler’s?


5 posted on 09/05/2008 10:24:00 AM PDT by DBrow
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http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

Here it is, that was easy. He puts Stalin down for 43,000,000 murders, mostly in gulags.


6 posted on 09/05/2008 10:26:16 AM PDT by DBrow
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Apparently, they get their news from the New York Times.
7 posted on 09/05/2008 10:27:48 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.)
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...an attempt backed by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin to re-evaluate Stalin's record in a more positive light.

Just in case we didn't know where Putin is coming from. He wants history's worse mass murderer seen in a more positve light

8 posted on 09/05/2008 10:32:35 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (No longer holding my nose to vote - McCain/Palin 2008!)
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A quote from the Putin Ministry of Truth new textbook:

"Stalin was all warm and fuzzy. He loved puppies and long walks in the park holding hands. Flowers would spontaneous bloom as Stalin walked by, even in the cold Russian winter. He brought complete peace, joy, and total wonderfulness into the world."

(N.B.: Substitute "Obama" for "Stalin" for all MSNBC or CNN reports)

9 posted on 09/05/2008 10:32:51 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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Thanks george76.

some relevant quotes from George Santayana:
Sanity is a madness put to good use.
but more to the point, from "The Life of Reason, Volume 1", 1905:
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
reiterated in "Soliloquies in England, 1922", "War Shrines"
Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. In the first stage of life the mind is frivolous and easily distracted, it misses progress by failing in consecutiveness and persistence. This is the condition of children and barbarians, in which instinct has learned nothing from experience.
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10 posted on 09/05/2008 10:35:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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I wouldn’t be shocked to find this book in Obama’s library.


13 posted on 09/05/2008 10:38:24 AM PDT by Paperdoll (Duncan Hunter for Secretary of Defense!)
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and seems to follow an attempt backed by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin to re-evaluate Stalin's record in a more positive light.

Putin really is a disaster for Russia - they shed Communism, but not their love of authoritarianism.
15 posted on 09/05/2008 10:44:10 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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see also "The Commissar Vanishes".
Stalins Last Crime: The Plot Against the Jewish Doctors, 1948-1953 Stalin's Last Crime:
The Plot Against the Jewish Doctors,
1948-1953

by Jonathan Brent
and Vladimir Naumov
Hardcover: 416 pages
Reed Business Information, Inc. -- ...Brent, the editorial director of Yale University Press, and Naumov, executive secretary of Russia's Presidential Commission for the Rehabilitation of Repressed Persons, trace how Stalin himself put together false evidence of the "doctors' plot," which was far more than a simple exercise in anti-Semitism and paranoid senility. According to the authors, Stalin intended to use the "doctors' plot" to accomplish several goals: to purge his Ministry of Security and upper ranks of government; to defuse the potential threat posed by Soviet Jews, many of whom had ties to the U.S. and the new state of Israel; and to provide fuel for an armed conflict with the U.S...

Beria Who Killed Kirov?
Beria
by Amy Knight
Who Killed Kirov?
The Kremlin's Greatest Mystery

by Amy Knight


16 posted on 09/05/2008 10:48:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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Forward by Keith Olbermann.


17 posted on 09/05/2008 10:54:41 AM PDT by Carl LaFong (Building Code Under Fire)
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I hereby declare satire is no longer possible. Just yesterday this satire came from azconservative.org:

Putin Likens Russia Move into Georgia to Stalin’s “Defensive Conquest of Poland”

Now the reforming Soviet Union is teaching that Stalin's mass murders weren't so bad after all. How can satirists like John Semmens compete with the truth?

18 posted on 09/05/2008 11:01:28 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin claims he acted "rationally" in executing and imprisoning millions of people in the Gulags, a Russian school book claims.

A classical example of relativism.

The Dictators of Relativism [Open]

19 posted on 09/05/2008 11:15:25 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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” Historians believe up to 20 million people died as a result of his actions, many times more than were killed under Hitler’s...”

The author clearly failed general math. Hitler IIRC killed ~12million civilians. 20M is not ‘many times’ 12M.


21 posted on 09/05/2008 11:18:08 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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Stalin may have thought that, but he is the personification of evil right there! I think Stalin killed 60 million. 20 million is too conservative of a number.


22 posted on 09/05/2008 11:26:37 AM PDT by Ptarmigan (Bunnies=Sodomites)
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Joseph Stalin was Georgian, not Russian. That made him really bitter and self-hating. Stalin was also a sex pervert and a pedophile.


25 posted on 09/05/2008 11:29:54 AM PDT by Ptarmigan (Bunnies=Sodomites)
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It is designed for teachers to promote patriotism among the Russian young, and seems to follow an attempt backed by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin to re-evaluate Stalin's record in a more positive light.

Stalin was not Russian. He was born in Georgia. If we are promoting Russian patriotism -- which is a fine thing -- why not just blame most of the excesses of the Soviet period on a foreigner? That's what he was.

31 posted on 09/05/2008 12:51:22 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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“It is designed for teachers to promote patriotism among the Russian young”

Sounds more like, “This could be you if you don’t follow the rules”.


33 posted on 09/05/2008 1:45:16 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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