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Locals' sympathies with slain bison, not frustrated rancher
Denver Post ^ | 02 sept 08 | Howard Pankratz

Posted on 09/02/2008 2:46:24 AM PDT by rellimpank

South of Hartsel, the South Platte River meanders through some of the most fabulous ranch and fishing land in the nation.

On a late summer afternoon, the sheer beauty of the setting caused a couple of motorcyclists to stop and point their cameras at a group of handsome horses standing near the river.

Exactly five months earlier, a group of 14 men pointed not cameras but guns at a group of bison and shot them dead. Killed were 32 bison belonging to longtime South Park rancher Monte Downare.

The slaughter has caused an outrage that the beauty of Colorado's South Park can't hide. The anger flows from the mouths of South Park residents; it is genuine and deep.

(Excerpt) Read more at denverpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: animalcruelty; animalrights; banglist; hawn; jeffhawn; montedownare; propertyrights; vaughndownare
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To: x_plus_one

No. South Park refers to South Park County. It is a beautiful place.

Fairplay is what the show is based on and is in South Park County.


21 posted on 09/02/2008 5:09:01 AM PDT by wireplay
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To: saganite

These laws have existed for a LONG time and were bitterly fought over. Best to leave them alone.

I doubt if your elephants would do very well in South Fork ;-]


22 posted on 09/02/2008 5:11:38 AM PDT by wireplay
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To: wireplay
South Fork

How about South Park instead. South Fork is pretty nice too and wouldn't do well with elephants either...

23 posted on 09/02/2008 5:13:10 AM PDT by wireplay
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To: saganite

No, but if you decide to move to elephant country, you have the responsibility to understand what you’re getting into.

The hundred years old law said if you want a herd off your property, it’s your responsibility to keep them off your property.


24 posted on 09/02/2008 5:14:17 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: wireplay; Shooter 2.5

I only used elephants in my example to illustrate the absurdity of a law that places primary responsibility for controlling the animals on someone other than the property owner. And since it’s the responsibility of the property owner I frankly see nothing wrong in taking whatever measures are necessary, including shooting the animals, if fences don’t work.


25 posted on 09/02/2008 5:19:33 AM PDT by saganite (Obama is a political STD)
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To: rellimpank
In an arrest warrant, investigators say the bulk of the bison — 14 of them — were killed on land owned by Catherine Pimm. Eight were killed on Bureau of Land Management property, four on U.S. Forest Service property, three on property of Robert Lemm and three on Hawn's ranch.

The guy who got others to shoot, should be in big trouble. Hunting on Federal property without the proper permission? Shooting at animals that are not on your property? Bad.

26 posted on 09/02/2008 5:31:01 AM PDT by ikka
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To: saganite

When you are leaving your property to go onto someone else’s property to shoot them, however, my guess is that Colorado law looks differently on that...


27 posted on 09/02/2008 5:32:13 AM PDT by ikka
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To: saganite

It doesn’t work that way in the West. It is free range here. Also, the owners claims sound silly as well and unbelievable.


28 posted on 09/02/2008 7:31:41 AM PDT by wireplay
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To: rellimpank

Thanks


29 posted on 09/02/2008 7:44:22 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: BIGLOOK; jazusamo; girlangler; proud_yank; GladesGuru; LucyT; XeniaSt; MtnClimber; Grammy; ...

“Some of the best river and lake fishing in Colorado is found here, with the South Platte providing depth and breadth to Antero, Spinney and Elevenmile reservoirs. Tarryall Creek fills Tarryall Reservoir as well.

Public and private waters give the sportsman much to contemplate in the way of flies and lures.”


30 posted on 09/02/2008 7:51:18 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: rellimpank

It is bad enough that the liberal cry-babies have pretty much completely poisoned California - but they have to move East to formerly nice and generally conservative states. First they have tried to overrun Colorado, and more recently - Montana.

I was reminded of this when I saw a clip of the horses-butt Montana Governor (a liberal DemocRAT...how on earth???).

Again - another reminder of the old saying - what happens in California eventually comes to YOUR neighborhood.

First they exported gangs to spread across the country.

And now they are exporting their surplus of marxist liberals to take over the rest of the country.

I guess Nikita Khrushchev’s plan of taking the US over from the inside is coming true - and his point of infection was Calinfornia and the DemocRAT party.


31 posted on 09/02/2008 7:53:15 AM PDT by TheBattman (Vote your conscience, or don't complain about RINOs!)
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To: rellimpank
South Park residents say that under Colorado's open-range laws, it is the duty of property owners to erect fences to keep cattle and bison out. It is not the duty, they said, of the rancher to fence cattle and bison in.

While I don't quite understand this law, it is the law. If he wanted the bison kept off his property it was HIS responsibility to fence them OUT - not for the owner to fence them in.

32 posted on 09/02/2008 7:57:22 AM PDT by TheBattman (Vote your conscience, or don't complain about RINOs!)
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To: TheBattman

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/Agriculture-Main/CDAG/1176829292622

Keep in mind also that if you do fence, you probably have to pay higher taxes. For most non-rancher/farmer types, it changes your designation to the taxing authorities (we just had to deal with this last year in South Fork, CO).


33 posted on 09/02/2008 8:12:25 AM PDT by wireplay
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To: saganite
And since it’s the responsibility of the property owner I frankly see nothing wrong in taking whatever measures are necessary, including shooting the animals, if fences don’t work.

You can build a fence that will keep buffalo in...or out. A buffalo fence needs to be higher (like 8 feet or so) and stronger than a cattle fence. You have to use a heavier gauge wire and set the posts closer together. There are lots of buffalo ranches side by side with cattle ranches...with big, strong fences to keep them on their land.

The problem here sounds like the new guy moved into ranch country and decided he didn't like the laws and didn't have to obey them. Besides than, he shot animals that did not belong to him on land that did not belong to him. What a jerk.
34 posted on 09/02/2008 8:20:55 AM PDT by goldfinch
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To: rellimpank

Mmmmm...fajitas.


35 posted on 09/02/2008 8:22:12 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: wireplay; familyop; kitchen

You can always see that the enemedia person is a PETA lover when they call shooters : hunters.

Hunting had nothing to do with these shootings.


36 posted on 09/02/2008 8:22:15 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

It’s going to be interesting to see what comes out of this.

Hawn is a hot shot businessman that buys property in ranch country. He has this problem and contacts the attorney, Stephen Csajaghy in Denver who has to be oblivious to range law or else he informed Hawn about it and Hawn ignored him. Either way it’s cut and dried and Hawn was in violation of the law and more than likely will be found guilty.

I don’t think it will end there though. Hawn still has his place and it sounds like he has a sizeable investment in it, all his neighbors are pissed off at him big time and it’s still open range. Hawn might do well to fing a buyer for his place if he can, don’t think he’s going to enjoy being there too much.


37 posted on 09/02/2008 8:27:56 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo

Hawn is going to really need his new lawyer. Earlier, she scared the Eagle County DA and kept Kobe free.

Lucky for him that he can afford her fees.

Hawn likely knew about Colorado open range laws, but like many newbie liberals , he chose to ignore them. He would have gotten away with it except for the massive exposure of his actions of hiring AZTEC shooters and that the local sheriff / CBI did a good job of investigating.


38 posted on 09/02/2008 8:49:55 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
A few years back, Hawn bought land not too far from Downare's spread and built a beautiful home

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"I feel it was just appalling that this person, who is not from this county, came in and took such aggressive action. I was shocked. I thought it was mean," said Keller.

Reading this story made me wonder  , just how many generations will it be until he is from that county ?

39 posted on 09/02/2008 9:16:06 AM PDT by grjr21
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To: george76
He would have gotten away with it except for the massive exposure of his actions of hiring AZTEC shooters and that the local sheriff / CBI did a good job of investigating.

Make tha Aztlan


40 posted on 09/02/2008 9:19:43 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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