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To: xzins

Here’s the problem, as I see it.

Okay...Bristol made a huge mistake. Does it change her standing in her mother’s eyes? Nope. In her father’s eyes? Nope? In JESUS’ eyes? Absolutely NOT! Any Christian with a brain knows Jesus NEVER stops loving us and forgiving us, no matter how bad we screw up. And believe me...people (especially me)have screwed up HUGE.

That being said...

The ‘holier-than-thou’ arm of the GOP is going to want to have Sarah burnt at the stake. Her daughter’s moral failing is HER moral failing...in their eyes.

Pure and simple hypocracy. If they have never sinned, and are so much better than everyone, then perhaps they should give Jesus a break and take over as God for a while.

And THAT being said...

The bastards in the MSM, the Daily KOS, DU, HuffPo, Air America, and countless other outlets of the stupid part of the American landscape are going to pound this into the heads of the less-discerning American voting public. And they will LISTEN. Once they make up their minds after hearing the lies and untruths repeated over-and-over-and-over, it becomes very hard to try to change what they think.

So, what are we gonna do?

As for me...I will not stop supporting McCain/Palin. And I will be happy for Sarah when her baby grandchild shows up.


944 posted on 09/01/2008 10:56:30 AM PDT by hoagy62 (No surrender, no retreat, no quarter, no compromise...no kidding!)
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To: hoagy62

“The ‘holier-than-thou’ arm of the GOP is going to want to have Sarah burnt at the stake. Her daughter’s moral failing is HER moral failing...in their eyes.”

so screw them. The GOP is not the party for intolerant religious stereotypes such as “The Church Lady” or the mother in Stephen King’s “Carrie”


964 posted on 09/01/2008 11:01:30 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Biden, it's Sarahcuda, not Sarahcutie. Dork!)
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To: hoagy62; wagglebee; big'ol_freeper; P-Marlowe; enat

Something like one out of three kids in America is now born out of wedlock (36% actually....”ATLANTA (AP) - Out-of-wedlock births in the United States have climbed to an all-time high, accounting for nearly four in 10 babies born last year, government health officials said Tuesday.” http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8LHMFDO0&show_article=1)

It’s gonna be hard to attack Palin on this without also attacking an ENORMOUS number of young women and families in America.

This isn’t rare at all.


978 posted on 09/01/2008 11:03:19 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: hoagy62

Listening to news on the radio right now.

About five stories BEFORE even mentioning Bristol’s pregnancy, and that only briefly.


981 posted on 09/01/2008 11:03:31 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: hoagy62

libs wouldn’t vote mccain/palin anyway

i feel badly for bristol, having the libs smear her

i’m still voting for mccain/palin


996 posted on 09/01/2008 11:06:24 AM PDT by machogirl
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To: hoagy62

When I became pregnant out of wedlock, (I was much older than Bristol), but still, I saw the reaction in my church. I was so touched when the older women held a baby shower for me and some of them shared their own ‘secret’ stories of pregnancy before marriage and some of being a single mothers. Their openness gave me incredible support and helped me to hold my head a little higher to NOT BE ASHAMED. Because of their love, I will never do to Bristol what I am reading today. She is not ‘less than’ because she is with child. She has a baby growing, a wonderfully and fearfully made child that God already knows! I send her many, many blessings of love and pray for health and peace.


1,024 posted on 09/01/2008 11:10:52 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: hoagy62

I don’t see how the Ds can successfully use this against McCain/Palin, and I don’t agree that there is any significant (or even marginal) group of GOPers who are going to sit this out or vote Obama because of this.

What would the MSM/D contingent say? The most potent accusation would be the already-broached Michellobama claim that a person who can’t run her own house can’t run the white house. It was a stupid claim against Hillary and clearly backfired, and it is a stupid claim now. Even so, controlling one’s husband is a world away from controlling one’s kids. So that’s it; a lame response with no traction.

Secondly, the MSM/D contingent will trot out the inapposite claims about abstinence education. Given that no one knows and, hopefully won’t have to know whether Bristol used contraceptives or not, this is a non-starter. In other words, the claim could be just the opposite; that while abstinence education is not always effective, absintinence is 100% of the time. Contraceptives are not. Again, a futile attack.

As for the claim that the right will now eat its own young, so to speak, there isn’t a shred of evidence here or on any other conservative blog. The only negative reaction from conservatives have been from the same persons who didn’t like the Palin pick in the first place and whose response has been political rather than moral outrage. Yet the great fear that McCain has blown it is entirely dependent upon the premature belief that the Ds can use this to advantage. The Ds cannot use this at all, frankly, lest they are willing to kiss at least 25% of the Hillary vote goodbye, as the Hillary blogs are almost unanimous in pointing out (so far).

That leaves criticism of the timing of the announcement—a miniscule issue if any. Palin was announced the Friday of a long holiday weekend. McCain/Palin announces the news within three days, after 72 hours of the most vile, unprecedented, and vicious attacks—possibly in US political history—and does so in a masterful way that turned the tables on the boy-geniuses at Kos and DU. Sounds to me that the roaches at DU and Kos provided McCain/Palin with an absolutely perfect avenue with which to announce the news.

As a political watcher, I won’t go so far as to say this is great news, but I fail to see any evidence or rationale as to why this is bad other than that it is a distraction. Even then, look at how the Clintons, for all their faults, turned what they thought was a distraction (philandering) into a powerful political asset. McCain/Palin can and already have done that here.

Palin is a miracle for the party and the Country; it’s probably only due to the lingering sexism in the GOP that she wasn’t already a national figure before Friday. She will be the first female president, mark my words.


1,363 posted on 09/01/2008 12:08:08 PM PDT by Ilya Mourometz
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