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I posted this on another thread, but thought it's worth reflection on its own thread (so I can be flamed or pilloried or whatever here for noticing.)

Is what the Kossacks are doing really so foreign to us high-minded folks at FR??? Flame away if you must, but maybe in the future this will remind us to self-police our own rumor-mill a bit better?

1 posted on 09/01/2008 8:27:04 AM PDT by sam_paine
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Where are Chelsea's siblings? We all know how randy Bill was, and we know that Hillary was fertile -- Chelsea's the proof, yet where are any siblings? Doesn't that strike you as odd?

Yet the most obvious plausible answer explains all of why Chelsea has no brothers and sisters, and why people wonder if Webb Hubble is her dad, and why people suspect Hillary is a bi-lesbian and why Huma may be her lover.

Having a hyperactive many partnered sex life -- which is a matter of state record for Bill Clinton -- carries a cost. That cost is disease that can led to sterility. That cost is in broken families, that cost is in spousal estrangement and a widening of the circle of brush fire known as adultery.

You asked a good question. This is your good answer:

We have to make judgments about the powerful when they go wrong, and hold them to public rebuke, or we lose our own mores.

The Clintons are notorious for adultery and lying, for abuse of power and office to fill their own wallets and sexual appetites. That MUST be loudly and brashly spoken against and mocked, lest people think it is normal.

Yet the Palin's what have they shown except honoranle behavior? Why the vile rumor?

You are foolish to equivocate the two cases.

123 posted on 09/01/2008 9:14:01 AM PDT by bvw
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Is illustrating a striking adult resemblance between a candidate's child and a prominent colleague/confidante equal to what's being said about Palin’s daughter and husband?

Indeed, one has to expect that public pictures of Palin may be used to draw a time-line on her pregnancy to prove whatever it is someone wants to prove.

Instead, I think the ethical problem here is that the accusations being made are so far out ahead of what the observable evidence supports.

126 posted on 09/01/2008 9:14:28 AM PDT by afortiori
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Well, to come to your defense, I have been a member of FR for years, and I've seen that photo several times.

For those of you who are quick to shout “Troll” every time a longtime FReeper disagrees, feel free to check out my stats and past posts. I've been here awhile, long enough to know that the level of civility around here has taken a nosedive in recent years.

Self analysis and correction is a good thing. When we resort to gutter tactics, we tarnish the reputation of Free Republic. If we want people to view us as a great news and commentary site, we need to all be able to discuss the tenor of our own posts without being zotted.

129 posted on 09/01/2008 9:18:55 AM PDT by keats5
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This is something I have never understood.
I happen to be a white male, however that dosn’t mean that I consider myself a “we” with all other white males.
I happen to be a conservative, however I don’t blindly support anything anyone else who happens to call themself a conservative does. I happen to be a Freeper, an individual, don’t insinuate that there is some kind of collective guilt because some other freeper did something you think is wrong.


143 posted on 09/01/2008 9:33:22 AM PDT by adversarial (the pros and cons of voting for)
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Your thought processes are pathetic and demented! Unfortunately, it can’t be blamed on TROLLitis!
May GOD Help You!


157 posted on 09/01/2008 9:42:33 AM PDT by NOBAMA in 08 (An Empty Suited Opportunist with No Redeeming Value!)
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Your request to be the sensitive conscience of free republic is denied.


159 posted on 09/01/2008 9:44:53 AM PDT by adversarial (the pros and cons of voting for)
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Quite frankly, the picture is right on!

Guess you dont remember that Bubba swore to each of his alleged Rape Victims to NOT WORRY because he was STERILE!
On that note, maybe YOU believe in the Virgin Birth of Chelsea, quite frankly I am neither that stupid nor naive!

There is a very close visual comparison between Hubbell and Chelsea. Hubbell with Hillary would be adultery or an affair! NOT INCEST as you try naively to assert! WAKE UP!:-P


178 posted on 09/01/2008 10:03:42 AM PDT by NOBAMA in 08 (An Empty Suited Opportunist with No Redeeming Value!)
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Thank you for starting this thread, Sam. The same, tired old Chelsea is Hubble's daughter smear on FR is not something from the past. It popped up just yesterday on this thread: That Sarah Palin rumor

I rebutted it on that thread in:

Post #126

Post #156

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I'm going to repeat my central points below:

1. Chelsea does NOT look anything like Web Hubble. Nothing about the shapes of their features is even remotely similar. Chelsea is almost the spitting image of what her maternal grandmother looked like in her youth. It's quite common for features to skip a generation, and for children to look more like their grandparents than their parents. George W. Bush looks a lot like his paternal grandmother, for example.

2. Conservatives claim to be better people than Leftists/Dems. Prove it. Stop this gutter insinuation that Chelsea is not Bill Clinton's daughter. She IS his daughter. Whatever else Clinton is, he has always been a loving, devoted father to his daughter. The gutter insinuations about Hubble and Chelsea were started in conservative circles when Chelsea was still a child and they continue to this day. Yet conservatives hypocritically whine about the Left's gutter insinuations regarding Gov. Palin and her children.

To address some of the excuses made on this thread: The cruel "Chelsea is Hubble's daughter" smear is not now and was never a joke. It was started when Chelsea was a young child. In fact, her looks and parentage have been mocked on FR almost since this site was first founded, and have largely gone unrebutted all these years until now. Bill Clinton has been out of office for over 7 1/2 years. When is enough, enough regarding attacks on Chelsea who, from all accounts, is a very decent young woman who is "guilty" only of loving her parents?

193 posted on 09/01/2008 11:01:26 AM PDT by Wolfstar ("My 80% friend is not my enemy." Ronald Reagan)
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How many times have we seen this photo on FR?

A few times, but it was mostly in fun or sour grapes.

It wasn't an attack intended to alter an approaching national election.

231 posted on 09/01/2008 6:37:04 PM PDT by Does so (...against all enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign...)
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I agree with you. Okay, i am probably going to make a lot of mistakes here since i am a newbie:

well, freerepublic has evolved from a ‘right wing nut’ site, to something respectable. Whatever ancient history there was, at least for the past few years, the admin, and in fact, many here, have been civil and promoting civility. Posts that are way overboard, whether based on republican or democrat opinions, are taken down.

Compare that to the leftie boards. Do they even police their own liberal posts? They only take down Conservative posts... And take note on how every single one of them always jump on the occasional liberal who is trying to tell them to not be raving moonbats.


238 posted on 09/02/2008 4:55:17 AM PDT by apollo861 (I am so going to swallow your soul.)
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To illustrate: see the posts about Obama’s stand on the attacks on the Palins.

Some are wary of his intentions (totally legitimate), and some are trying to show that he has some form of class.

If this were like DU or DKos, the posts suggesting that Obama (Bush) has some form of integrity would have been removed and slammed for being ‘left wing’ (right wing) propaganda. And this would be encouraged by the admins and moderators over there.


239 posted on 09/02/2008 4:55:29 AM PDT by apollo861 (I am so going to swallow your soul.)
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http://www.dailykos.com/

Are you lost?


243 posted on 09/02/2008 9:04:04 AM PDT by roses of sharon ((Who sent Barack Hussein Obama?))
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We are not the media. I don’t care if blogs attack her.


249 posted on 09/02/2008 11:50:11 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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BTW, someone else pointed out that you are a long time freeper and I definitely missed your point and intent. As I said to that poster, “I stand corrected.” Sorry.


255 posted on 09/03/2008 11:48:20 PM PDT by piytar
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