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To: Matt_Rel; nanetteclaret
Can you distinguish between times of Deuteronomy when people never saw God before and times of Jesus when God in Man came to the world as one of us?

Sure I can. But I asked two questions: Who modeled for this statue and how do we know what Jesus looked like? I think the answer is obvious. We can find out who modeled, but we don't really know what Jesus looked like other than biblical descriptions of some characteristics. And according to these biblical characteristics this statue doesn't resemble Jesus.

Jesus was/is both the Son of God and a son of man. So, seeing Jesus, we saw God (Father) himself according to his Own words directed to his disciples.

If you have a false image of Jesus then you have a false image of God.

It is NOT my intention to insult you, but next time do not ping me, please, with such an attitude to Words of God. There are so many different attitudes, so many strange approaches all over the world and I do not have time to correct them all

Sorry if my attitude offended you. I asked two questions and quoted scripture. The scripture is inspired for a good reason. In the new testament there is not one example of any follower of Christ making a statue of him and using it in worship. In fact Paul seems to have endorsed the idea that images shouldn't be used for worship:

Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

1Ti 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, [be] honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Paul's understanding was that the God he worshipped was invisible to us, outside of the realm of our vision. That's the image he kept in mind.

This isn't just legalism on Paul's part. There's a specific reason why God didn't want his followers to make images and use them in worship. It's exactly because images are able to be bent, shaped and molded to whatever man decides them to be. A false image of Jesus is a false image of God. And when somebody has a false image of God implanted in their mind it makes it harder to distinguish the real God.

75 posted on 12/16/2008 9:01:32 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Jesus is not a spirit, but a human being, and while his appearance is not known, we know that he was a Jew of the first century, of that appearance and speaking that language and lving the life of that people. God has fixed in every man’s soul the desire to see His face. Every idol was an effort to do this, and the aiconic commands of the law aim to tell us that the people of Israel had not seen his face yet. But we have seen his face and heard his voice. Representations remind us of the fact of the incarnation.


79 posted on 12/16/2008 10:59:13 AM PST by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: DouglasKC
I said: Jesus was/is both the Son of God and a son of man. So, seeing Jesus, we saw God (Father) himself according to his Own words directed to his disciples.

your reply: If you have a false image of Jesus then you have a false image of God.

...looks like Jesus himself had a a false image of God because he said:

JOHN 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Show us the Father?

so,...if you do not take Jesus' words as true, then this dialog is ABSOLUTELY pointless. No more,please.

80 posted on 12/16/2008 6:13:48 PM PST by Matt_Rel
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