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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; Marysecretary; Dr. Eckleburg
And your support for Sarah Palin is not based on assumptions?

Of course it's based on assumptions, I barely know who she is yet. :) However, my argument was really about "any woman" who has been attacked as she has been. Number 2 in line to the Presidency is Nancy Pelosi, a mother of five. No one has ever said anything about her being unfit for that role. I think it's unfair to criticize Palin for also being a mother of five and being potentially number 1 in line.

Whatever facts are available so far (read my other posts) indicate that there is good reason to doubt her decision-making, including her membership for 2 years in the 1990's in the separatist Alaskan Independence Party. [NYT, Sep 1, 2008],

That's been debunked as the fraud that it is. Even the source for this lie has admitted it HERE .

Do I judge her? You bet! That's what democracy is all about. As a voter, that's "my job," and if I didn't judge candidates I would be an irresponsible voter.

Judging is fine, but at least have the facts. I assert that it is unfair to judge her not capable because she has a family, when NO ONE knows what the dynamics are of the support system in that family.

In the meantime, I think I will stick with critical thinking and reason as a lot more responsible approach than simply assuming that such as such is a God-sent. How do you know Obama isn't? God told you?

I never said I "KNEW" what God's plan is here. It could well be His plan that Obama be elected and that America suffer the consequences. I don't know. God never promised that He would give us only good leaders. I just noted that God has historically called many people for specific purposes which involved family sacrifice. Therefore, I thought it unfair to ASSUME that this could not be the case here, i.e. she is a terrible mother and person for running.

Her speech is in about an hour. I sort of feel invested now, so I really hope she does well. LOL! :)

358 posted on 09/03/2008 6:24:20 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper

“No one has ever said anything about her being unfit for that role.”

Oh, FK be serious. This is Free Republic; nobody ever said anything about Pelosi being unfit???????????????????????????? After Hitlery, no woman has been more demonized here!

“That’s been debunked as the fraud that it is [the AIP matter]. Even the source for this lie has admitted it HERE .”

The video of her publicly congratulating secessionist traitors on their “good work” hasn’t been debunked so far as I know. Did I miss something? Am I wrong to be concerned about what appears to be comforting, if not necessarily condoning, treason?

“I assert that it is unfair to judge her not capable because she has a family, when NO ONE knows what the dynamics are of the support system in that family.”

Well, it seems something has gone wrong, FK.

“It could well be His plan that Obama be elected and that America suffer the consequences.”

True...or that McCain be elected and this country continue to subsidize and support aggressive Mohammedan terrorism against Eastern Christians...and suffer the consequences of that. Like Jefferson said, I tremble for my country when I realize that God is just.


359 posted on 09/03/2008 6:42:15 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Forest Keeper

Great response, FK. Bless you.


360 posted on 09/03/2008 7:06:45 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Forest Keeper

What did you think of her speech? All I can say is WOW!


368 posted on 09/03/2008 8:42:03 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg
I know Kolo already answered you and left very little for me to ad, but I will because it was directly addressed to me.

However, my argument was really about "any woman" who has been attacked as she has been

And Obama wasn't? Did you feel the same urge to defend him against such attacks as you feel compelled to defend a woman you admit you barely know who she is?

Bottom line is, we all have our own filters and red flag triggers. They are assumptions based on previous experience or they are based on certain principles.

Let me just show you how the this double standard works. On August 29, Karl Rove explained on CBS's "Face the Nation" why Virginia Governor wasn't fit to be (Vice) President.

The town where Sarah Palin was a mayor is 15,000th by size, currently less than 10,000 people, compared to Richmond's 200,000, and her entire state has 680,000 people, compared to Virginia's 7.6 million (more than 11 times). Governor Kaine was a governor for 3 years, and Palin less than two.

How come Kaine is not "qualified" and she is? How can we sou quickly change our tune? Where is objectivity?

That's been debunked as the fraud that it is. Even the source for this lie has admitted it HERE .

The source did not lie. The source, which was official, the AIP secretary, provided erroneous information to the NYT. NYT simply reported what the official gave. As it turns out, the husband was a member of the secesisonist party until 2002, and Sarah Palin attended the Party's conventions 2000 "out of courtesy."

How would you look at her attendance, regardless of the reason, if this was a Communist Party convention? Everything points to the fact that she has good relations with this secessionist organization and doesn't mind welcoming its presence in her town or state (as in her recent 2008 TV welcoming address). Even your own link confirms that.

I remind you that the AIP president says "I am not American. I am Alaskan." And the AIP motto is "Alaska First" (compare to McCain's "Country First").

Going by registration records is pointless since Joe Lieberman demonstrated that one can be a registered Democrat and actively work and associate with a Republican Party and its platform. He even called on fellow Democrats to cross party lines for the good of the country.

Apparently Palin has had close and warm relationship with the traitors gathered around AIP when she couldn't even fathom that she would be thrust into partnership with a man she publicly disagreed with on more than one occasion.

Judging is fine, but at least have the facts

What are facts? Was she vetted on facts or on her apparent usefulness?

The pattern shows that she had closer relationship with separatist traitors than with the Democrats or even McCain liberal Republicans. She is an opportunist (which is a character trait no one should be proud of).

When Pat Buchanan visited her village shed wore his button "out of courtesy" as a mayor! Give me a break. Stupid Buchanan still thinks her and she are one! Apparently she has everything to everybody. That's one way to be popular.

I assert that it is unfair to judge her not capable because she has a family

And I assert that it is unfair to judge her capable because she has a family!

NO ONE knows what the dynamics are of the support system in that family

You make my point. Why is judging her worthy based on incomplete facts right and judging her unworthy isn't?

It could well be His plan that Obama be elected and that America suffer the consequences

You are beginning to sound like Pastor Hagee...you are scaring me, FK.

Her speech is in about an hour. I sort of feel invested now, so I really hope she does well

She did well, for the crowd she represents.

375 posted on 09/03/2008 10:48:32 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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