Posted on 08/30/2008 7:09:59 AM PDT by chessplayer
Taking a look at the stories in the Old Media will show that the Media is turning attack dog ASAP on McCain's choice for vice president, Sarah Palin. Notice the main meme is her supposed "inexperience." Funny how Palin was the VP pick for about 15 seconds before the Old Media went after her "inexperience" while they have yet to hit Barry Obama on HIS inexperience at all and he's been running for president since 2004. We should also note that Palin didn't get the honeymoon that Biden got when his announcement was made. But, the worst is yet to come and the Daily Kos is doing its level best to mine the lowest of lows. In a Kos diary today, it is being alleged that Sarah Palin "faked" the pregnancy of her last child, a baby born with Down's Syndrome. The claim is that it was her teenaged daughter's child, not hers. And, true to form, the Kossacks took that absurd calumny and hate even further in the comments.
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I disagree about Hukabee, but other wise you are correct. McCain is many things, but how he got the nod is a real mystery to me. He seems to have been selected by the DNC not GOP voters in New Hampshire, and all of a sudden he got a LOT of cash.
This is the worst election I have ever seen. The only consolation is that the Dems have it worse right now.
kosta,
I don’t know anything about Palin’s pregnancy history, but perhaps the pregnancy was unplanned. That does happen. My sister is Palin’s age, with four children, and her husband REFUSES to get a vasectomy. She has an IUD, but if heaven forbid, she were to get pregnant, she would carry the baby—no matter what—to term. I am the same—although thankfully my spouse had a vas—and I think I am totally unprepared to care for another special needs kid.
McCain is not trying to appeal to the hard-core, single issue female voters. They wouldn’t vote for him if the other choice were a cow. McCain is trying to appeal to people like I—I was not excited about voting for him, and had he chosen someone like Ridge or Lieberman, I would have stayed home.
As for Creationism in schools, that is truly unfortunate. Let’s hope that a little schooling in preparation for the national stage tones that one down a bit. Otherwise, she is the perfect person to appeal to those bitter, religion-clinging, gun-totin’ white rednecks living in flyover country.
Peace, kosta. Thanks for weighing in (you and kolokotronis both) with a different viewpoint.
That was uncalled for. Kolokotronis is a long-time FReeper. He sees things differently from you; let’s value his perception and know that what he and kosta50 have to say will help us to hone our arguments for Palin over the next few months.
I voted for Mike Huckabee, who is a classic social conservative as I am. We have a strong (minority) group of Christian social conservatives on FR, but we often get lost in the shuffle.
Mike Huckabee didn’t have much of a chance because of his lack of big-time fundraising. That says a lot about why we ended up with two New World Order losers (plus one NWO Nazi sidekick) instead of at least one decent, competent American (NOT globalist) presidential candidate.
The Obama machine made Hillary clinton look almost sympathetic. But she’s a NWO loser, too, of course.
As for Sarah Palin, she may have had an unplanned pregnancy. And I would not condemn her if she WERE covering up for her teenage daughter, as the low-life gossips of “The Daily Kos” say. There’s a lot we don’t know, so cannot judge.
Free Republic is PRIVATE PROPERTY, there is NO Freedom of Speech here; there is NOTHING wrong with squelching dissension, it is done all the time around here.
I have been with the Free Republic a lot longer than you, and I have seen nothing but dissenting opinions provide life for this forum.
I found the FR to be truly an American forum that was not afraid of free speech challenges. There is nothing about the Free Republic that indicates it favors censorship of private opinions. To the contrary!
Of course, FR has its rules, and that is entire Mr. Robinson's prerogative. Those who violate the rules are warned, and if they persist to break the rules, they are temporarily or permanently suspended—for breaking rules, not for dissenting opinions!
You want me removed because I don't share your fascination with Sarah Palin, because you don't like what I think. Thank God, most Americans don't share your attitude.
My advice to you is: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. We don't have a signle-minded world.
And, by the way, I am not sure any particular group has exclusive rights to claim monopoly of what is a "true conservative." We are all conservative on some issues and liberal on others. I have been a Republican all my life and intend to stay one. That doesn't mean I have to agree with every nut and dolt the Party decides to nominate.
It couldn't have come from the conservative right, that's for sure. I think the Republican Party has been hijacked. Most conservative Republicans had a fit when McCain came out of nowhere. I guess the Party isn't as conservative as we are willing to believe.
I don't have naything against her private life. I simply question her judgment (and maturity). This is directly from a Palin-friedly article in April of this year (my emphases):
In other words: she was totally unprepared and clueless as to the risk o her advanced age (at her age 1:35 births, as compared to women less than 30 years of age 1:1000, or teetnagers 1:2000 births).
I am sure that her doctor advised her on that, because it is a doctor's duty to do so.
I question her maturity and her decision-making. A day before she delivered she was in Texas and her water broke at 4 a.m. Medical advice is to go to the nearest hospital immediately because of a risk of infection.
Sarah Palin decided to risk the infection and give a speech that morning rather than go to the nearest hospital. She then flew back to Alaska at 36 weeks of pregnancy even though doctors warn against such travel at that stage, without telling the pilot or flight attendants of her condition.
This just doesn't give me much confidence in her decision-making abilities.
She has also clashed with McCain on a number of issues. How is she going to "reconcile" these without being chewed up by the press?
Otherwise, she is the perfect person to appeal to those bitter, religion-clinging, gun-totin’ white rednecks living in flyover country
Well, I can't argue with that.
That is a memorable way to sum up the situation and the reality of American politics in 2008. We are now picking second, even third rate candidates to lead the country with a trigger that can destroy the world. We are obligated to do better than that.
We need to return to education and maturity in choosing our leaders. This is not an American Idol contest.
As for Sarah Palin, she may have had an unplanned pregnancy
No one is condemning her for her pregnancy. God forbid! Please see #248. It's the fact that she was clueless of risks involved. I find it inexcusable. I know that's not the result she wanted. She admits to be saddened and "confused," an disappointed at first. So that was not her wish.
Do I want a potential president, by default at that, to make decisions on the fly? I don't.
I don’t know why you are including me in all this. I simply stated that I would not request that a poster be banned for making negative posts. That’s not my billet, or as Obama would say, it’s above my pay grade. Leave me out of it.
I was including you out of courtesy because you were part of the post I replied to. Apologies.
kosta50,
As a convert to OC, I probably have a different understanding of the Palins and many FReepers. You have a completely different religious vocabulary and lens through which you view the issues surrounding SP. That doesn’t make you wrong—(I converted! :+)), but to me, what is going back and forth on this thread is like a German dog barking at an Italian dog.
From what has been written about the Palins and their decision to have their fifth child, I suspect that the majority of Americans will sympathize rather than judge. Nor do I think her political judgment necessarily will be impaired, even though I may disagree with her personal choices. And I am not sure we can say anything intelligent about her personal choices—all we have are snippets from the MSM.
What I imagine happened with the Palins is not far from what I can imagining happening with me or my sister. Unplanned pregnancy later in life...(being on the pill not an option at this point in many women’s lives); abortion not on the table; a nosy press interested only in sound bites about a very complicated decision-making process...with the resulting play in the press presenting only the superficial parts of the family’s approach to the issue.
Her letter written from the point of view of God most definitely is not an OC thing...just like the evangelical presentation of “a personal relationship with JC” is not a typical OC presentation of faith. Doesn’t make either of us unqualified to be president...(but there will be quite a seminar at the pearly gates. THIS is a seraph, ladies and gentlemen). :+)
It was never very conservative, it just go that way by default because the other side went off the rails.
Most of the GOP leadership, and a good portion of this site, do not want any type of social conservative in government. That along makes me wonder just what the heck is going on, and what I should do.
I guess we are all "victims" of our mindset. Only time will tell who is "right" as long as we remember that being in a majority doesn't make one right any more than being in a minority makes one wrong.
What I imagine happened with the Palins is not far from what I can imagining happening with me or my sister.
She wasn't chocked that she gor pregnant. SP said she was "shocked" because her other children are healthy. She ignored her age and the risk it posed. By her own account, she also hand no clue. I am sorry, this doesn't give me confidence in her decision-making abilities.
The Republican Party used to be liberal, in fact. The only member of Congress to vote against declaring war on Japan in 1941 was a Republican woman represpresntative! That along makes me wonder just what the heck is going on, and what I should do
That's my own concern as well.
Actally, that seems to be false. It look more like there was no vetting whatsoever:
The same source states later on (my emphasis):
Apparently, McCain's campaign lied when it said "on Monday that Ms. Palin was 'thoroughly vetted,' a process that would have included a review of all financial and legal records as well as a criminal background check." [same source for all quotes]
Now it turns out that Ms. Palin was
She belonged to a separatist (i.e. Anti-American!) political party in the 1990s! Do I want her to be my vice-president and a even a president (by default)? Hell no!
It has now been days after she has been picked for the Republican VP spot that McCain had a
Why would that be necessary if sh had been "thoroughly vetted" to begin with?
How "throughly" was she vetted?
State Senator Hollis French, a Democrat who is directing the ethics investigation, said that no one asked him about the allegations. “I heard not a word, not a single contact,” he said.
Mr. French, a former prosecutor, said that he was knowledgeable about background checks and that, he, too, was surprised that the campaign had not reached out to state legislative leaders."
Not very thoroughly by any standards it seems.
So, where do you get your information from? Or did you just make that up about February?
Kolo: ...... As the father of a now 25 year old with Down Syndrome, I must say that Gov Palin is deluding herself if she thinks she can run for, let alone serve as, VP and be a good mother to a baby and youngster with mental retardation and the health challenges usually presented with it. She may not know it yet, but unless her plan is to “farm out” that baby, her life, the life of her husband and those or her other children have been profoundly changed by this birth...for the better I might add. Gov. Palin, however, seems to have rejected this gift of God in pursuit of her own ego. She’s no example of family values so far as I can see if her brand of Christianity tells her that what she is doing is right, then it is profoundly different from mine! (emphasis added)
Kosta: The first thing that came to my mind when I learned about her infant son's condition was sympathy. But then I found out that she has four other children, all of whom seem to be healthy. "What was she thinking?" I asked myself, but then the question morphed into "WHY?" Surely she must have been warned of the risks (for women only 4 years older than herself, the risk is staggering 1 in 10 pregnancies!). I could understand her desire to have children this late if she had none, but with four other children this just seems a little selfish, especially knowing the risk.
All I can say to both of you is WOW!!! :) I would have lost a lot of money if anyone had bet me "Who said these quotes?".
Like Palin politically, fine. Don't like Palin politically, fine. But who in the universe are any of us to judge God's plan for Gov. Palin, her and her husband's procreation, or her future (or her family's future) with the gifts God has given them? I can think of little else more inappropriately presumptive. Do you both think God can only raise a child to fulfillment if mom spends "X" number of hours per week at home?:
Ex 4:10-12 : 10 Moses said to the Lord, "O Lord, I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken to your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue." 11 The Lord said to him, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the Lord? 12 Now go; I will help you speak and will teach you what to say."
Do you all suppose God only did this because the non-believer who raised Moses spent enough time with him? How about God makes these decisions? How about God has the power? Sarah Palin's son, Trig, will be exactly what God wants Trig to be, whether she is Vice-President or not.
Kolo, do you really feel qualified to judge whether Gov. Palin is rejecting God's gift by not following your prescription of being a good mother? Do you feel it is your place to declare it is not God's intention for her to be Vice-President because of this baby? The Bible says that's NOT your job:
Jer 1:4-5 : 4 The word of the Lord came to me, saying, 5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
Dan 2:21 : 21 He changes times and seasons; he sets up kings and deposes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.
Rom 13:1-2 : 1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
Against whom is your REAL criticism here? You both say Palin is no good for running, but of course that is by your own standards. Perhaps God has His own standards and is taking care of ALL of this is His own perfect way. Would that be so terrible?
If you think about it, leaders are called upon to make sacrifices. Many times that includes not being able to be the perfect mom or dad by your standards. The Bible is FILLED with examples of people God has called who were then required to be away from their families for extended periods of time. Does that mean they should have said "NO"? Of course not, God has it all under control. The point is not that God appeared to Palin in a burning bush and told her she must do this. The point is that there is plenty of precedence for God's plan TAKING precedence over the normal course of a person's life for a specific purpose. It is not for us to judge whether God is doing that in this case based on whether or not she has a special needs child.
And as to her motives, Palin was pregnant with this child long before anyone in the world thought McCain had a snowball's chance in hell of being the nominee, OR that Palin would even remotely be considered as VEEP. She didn't lobby for the job. She did a couple of interviews and filled out some paperwork. So did a bunch of other people. Then she was asked, to the shock of most. For you guys to attack her for accepting the call to service, when it is GOD who decides, is beyond me.
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Kosta: I could understand her desire to have children this late if she had none, but with four other children this just seems a little selfish, especially knowing the risk.
And Kosta is the decider of this? What if she only had three children before, or two? I don't see ANY understanding on the part of the Orthodox that God actually is involved with these situations.
I also wonder what McCain was thinking when he chose her. Does he really think her gender by itself will do the magic of attracting Hillary's supporters?
Political issue, totally separate from my above rant. :) I think he wanted a woman, who was a younger McCain ("Maverick"), and would appeal to the base. Home run. I don't think he expects a zillion new women voters, but he will get some. He does give up something on the experience issue, however he can always point out that his ticket is at least right side up. I don't like Biden, but at least he is qualified to be President, Obama is not. Finally, she appeals to middle America voters as a regular person, more so than the other three. Of course the proof will be in the pudding, and she will either perform on the trail and in the debate or she won't. But for right now, THIS Christian conservative fully supports her! :)
She is a Gun Lobby member, eats moose burgers, hunts, fishes and is pro-life, and wants creationism taught in schools. How is she going to attract largely rabidly feminist, secular, pro-abortionist, liberal NRA-hating Hillary supporters?
In large numbers, she won't. If you think this "PUMA" thing is probably a fraud I would agree with you. But, she will get some, especially if Obama doesn't play his cards right. As of yesterday, Obama seems hip to the Lazio mistake. We'll see if it lasts. But in any event, she WILL have some built in shielding which is valuable.
I believe that citizenship is a right to be a qualified voter. I believe all voters should take voting-qualification tests and be issued a license to vote, the way all drivers require a license because our vote determines which way the country will drive.
I feel that way too many times. I just can't think of a way to pick judges of the tests. :) What constitutes "knowledge" of an issue?
Is this what our elections are? Blind guesses? Or beauty pageants? Is this what democracy is all about? Blind guesses?
Now Kosta, such harsh sentiments for blind faith? :)
Wow is right. I believe God raised Sarah Palin for a time such as this. Otherwise we might be stuck with a socialist who has way too many unanswered questions and a not so hot agenda for our country. As christians we need to pray for her and not be so darn judgemental. Arghhhhhhhhh.
I can’t believe such vitriol, kosta. Judge not lest YE be judged comes to mind. Ever think that maybe GOD raised her up for a time such as this? Yes, a mere mooseburger, hunting and fishing woman?????
I believe God raised her for such a time as this. Be careful how you judge her. God is never happy with that.
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