Posted on 08/26/2008 6:49:35 AM PDT by RedRover
Somebody call John Murtha as a witness. Apparently, he has solid reasons for his slanderous accusations and therefore he should be a material witness for the prosecution.
“He did not see them do it, Carlisle acknowledged”
So his testimony is worth......?
Nada. If he's the best the prosecution has, this thing is over.
>>Much of the man’s head was missing, Carlisle said.
“What kind of weapon did Weemer have?” Fox asked.
Carlisle: He shot him with his 9 mil [Beretta].<<
With a 9 mm, much of the man’s head was missing? Not likely.
There is only one question that I’d ask Carlisle.
“Did you see Sgt Nazario kill anyone?”
Perhaps I’d add: “Did you see Sgt Nazario even fire his weapon near the prisoners?”
Another: “Did you see anyone kill anyone?”
The storyline makes it clear that anyone inside that house had within minutes been actively engaged in trying to kill Americans, and their disposition was NOT one of prisoners of war.
They were attempting to fool the squad into believing they were non-combatants. Who knows what communication they had just made to other insurgents prior to the squad entering that building.
Nazario said that it never happened. I wonder if he means the entire event, or if he means only the killing of prisoners.
Any movement on the part of any of those insurgents could have been a pre-arranged signal. Any squad leaving that building could have meant pre-notified insurgents were to move into the building and free anyone left manacled. Any squad leaving that building with prisoners was to be tracked and killed now that the squad had been divided into prisoner guards moving to the rear and fire team moving forward.
It’s clear those men were fighters. The discharged weapons and other weapons prove that.
The only safe harbor for that squad was to move out of that building in force.
This sounds really jumbled though.
If some say there was a communication with higher, and the government insisted that was the reason for the prosecution, and now they’re not even pursuing it, then we’re left to conclude there was no communication because too many dispute it, most importantly, the radio operator.
If that story is false, then what other parts of the story are probably false. There can be no conclusion drawn, and Nazario’s version is as likely as anyone elses.
Not one person is testifying they saw him kill anyone.
So according to LCpl Carlisle, this concrete house was being used as a fighting position. After being unable to blow open the front, they go in the back and find 4 people (a typical insurgent fighting formation). They found expended AK-47 shells on the roof, an unloaded AK47 in one room, two more AK’s in a rug room.
Ummmm, I’d say these guys were insurgents who had fired on US Marines. They were trying to play the “Beat the Marines using their ROE’s”. They lost.
Now if this alleged incident had happened a couple/few days later in the battle of Fallujah, the Marines would have been within (or close enough to) acceptable ROE criteria. So, how many Marines had to die/get wounded to loosen up the ROE’s? Would this group of Marines have ever been charged if this alleged incident had happened a few days later in the battle?
I hope the Judge has the wisdom of Solomon.
Would someone please post the website where we can make donations to their defense.
Agree, Red.
Think about this as allegedly happening in an American city 3 or 4 years ago between members of a gang or a drug deal gone bad and one or two people came forward and told this story.
I don't believe there's an investigator or a prosecutor in the country that would have taken this to a Grand Jury or preferred charges for a prosecution. If they had have I'm sure a judge would have thrown it out of court. That's my thought on it.
Our Justice Dept. More evidence of what a charming president we have in the Oval Office. Bush should have pardoned these marines on day one, while suggesting that Murtha go blank himself. But naturally our president folds up, says nothing and allows marines, border guards and anyone else defending this nation to be given over to the tender mercies of the leftist-run DOJ. Bush made two good decisions in 8 years—Roberts and Alito. And he had to be forced into them at that!
These were out of uniform fighters trying to pass as non-combatants. They fall under the heading of spys and sabotures and can be summarily shot at will...
Concur, Chaplain; thanks for your thoughts.
This is a hearsay case that never should have been brought to court; the Judge is a freaking idiot for not tossing it and penalizing the prosecutors and their minions.
You posted the essentials. There's more information HERE and in a pdf HERE
So Carlisle personally established the point of ingress/egress
Prentice and Carlisle left the living room seeking a way out of the house. They went to the front door first, but it was locked, Carlisle added. About that time they heard the first of a series of shots
Carlisle can't find his way out of the house? Why not leave through the same door he safely entered? I would think any new door would present a new challenge.
So if Carlisle isn't involved, where is he during the alleged executions?
“I was actually re-searching the rug room, and that’s when I heard the first gunshot and I came to find out what happened,” Carlisle said.
This testimony sounds contrived. Carlisle claims Nazario asked Prentice if he wanted to shoot one (and claims he had to urge Prentice not to) - why wouldn't Carlisle get the same offer?
Seems Carlisle is the only one in that house that isn't bent on killing "docile prisoners of war" according to Carlisle.
We know that Fox is dangling a murder charge over Nelson's head, a charge apparently so weak that the government will drop the whole thing if he just testifies that one of his buddies murdered someone.
We know this sleazy, despicable tactic is by design meant to generate confessions that someone else did something bad. It is a scare tactic used solely to score a conviction. It offers nothing in the way of truth and impedes justice.
I strongly suspect Fox of dangling the same rancid offer over Carlisle's head, and his garbled testimony lends that suspicion some footing.
Not to excuse Bush, but if he had pardoned anyone, the leftest and the rest of the world would have said he pardoned guilty men. Who do you think the press would support? Plus, if he had said ANYTHING, that would be an example of command influence, which is wrong for or against. These men are getting the shaft, no matter which way the trial ends, and until we get patriots leading our country again, they will not be the last. In my 22 years in the Corps (mustang, 03) it was always mission and you men, from fire team leader up. It seems like field grade officers have forgotten that. Semper Fi, and I mean it !
Got a quick lunchtime update.
Carlisle’s testimony, so far, is as we reported it would be, right down the line.
The only surprise is that the prosecution produced photos of the house (taken by NCIS investigators). Carlisle was asked, “Is this the room where you saw the men?” “Yes.” “Is this where you saw Weemer standing?” “Yes.”
There’ll be more testimony from Carlisle this afternoon.
The only other witness this morning was a warrant officer who testified about the procedures for processing prisoners.
BTW, some courtroom observers think the jury will get the case Thursday.
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