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Why do conservatives and liberals differ on the urban scourge called graffiti - because conservatives believe society's concern for property says something about its moral condition. We call it the "broken window" theory of urban existence. That a broken window or defaced car leads to a disregard for public safety and promotes an indifference to human life. Liberals like Andrew Sullivan don't see the connection between tagging property and criminal assault upon innocent human beings. It exists.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 08/25/2008 9:29:40 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To the conservative, graffiti is an assault on civilization; to the liberal, graffiti is the result of civilization's assault on those who paint the graffiti.

Right on the mark.

2 posted on 08/25/2008 9:36:33 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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“To which my answer is yes. I do. Not to kill. Not to kill. “

Dennis is still in touch with his inner liberal, although he is making progress. And it does appear that he is getting his ideas on shooting from movies.


4 posted on 08/25/2008 9:41:10 PM PDT by Pelham (Obama bin Biden.)
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Indeed, increasingly those graffiti vandals do engage in violence. Citizens who so much as flash their headlights or yell at them to stop have been shot and sometimes murdered.

That's precisely why you never shoot to wound (as Dennis recommends), you shoot to stop.

5 posted on 08/25/2008 9:41:14 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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The leftists have no respect of private property rights,
so graffiti is no concern to them, as private property owners obviously obtained their property by taking it from the Native Americans, the Oppressed,...Etc.,Ect....


6 posted on 08/25/2008 9:42:49 PM PDT by gigster
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Dennis advocates shooting to wound?

Must be because shooting to sterilize requires so much skill...


7 posted on 08/25/2008 9:43:45 PM PDT by Redbob ("WWJBD" ="What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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'Dennis, do you think that this guy should have shot these people spray painting graffiti on his shop?' To which my answer is yes. I do. Not to kill. Not to kill. But if he shot them in the legs or in the arms...

Maybe he should just shoot the spray cans out of their hands. IMO, Mr. Prager is watchin' too much TV.

10 posted on 08/25/2008 9:45:09 PM PDT by Roccus (People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient....then repent.)
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If I ever catch one I’m going to take their can of paint and coat them with it head to toe. Then they can appreciate MY “Artwork”.


13 posted on 08/25/2008 9:48:16 PM PDT by CyberSpartacus
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Another piece of garbage to convert to worm food, shoot to kill!!!


16 posted on 08/25/2008 9:49:53 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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Why do conservatives and liberals differ on the urban scourge called graffiti

Because leftists don't believe in private property. If someone thinks there's a better use for something, then go right ahead and use it regardless of ownership.

shoot to wound

Terminally stupid non-sequitor. Full stop.

Shooting someone is an act of lethal force. If you shoot someone, you'd damn well better be ready for them to die as a consequence. This "shoot to wound" notion amounts to criminal disregard for human life. There is no body part "safe" to shoot.

Shooting someone over graffiti is STUPID. Go buy a bucket of paint and cover the stuff up; don't shoot the guy.

19 posted on 08/25/2008 9:55:14 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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Shooting them does seem a tad bit harsh. I’d be content to dip them in fluorescent pink and green paint and let ‘em go...;’}


26 posted on 08/25/2008 10:02:34 PM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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Well, Dennis, the reason you don't shoot to wound is that anywhere you hit somebody is potentially fatal. Tagging is repulsive but it isn't a capital crime.

The vast bulk of the offenders are self-centered adolescent males with no conception at all that anyone but themselves has any rights. Public floggings will do nicely.

28 posted on 08/25/2008 10:04:38 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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I agree with every word of Dennis Prager here.
Taggers should be afraid of being shot.


29 posted on 08/25/2008 10:07:26 PM PDT by b9
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Oh, I think shooting them is really not necessary. Im pretty sure I could handle it with a nice left hook to the face.


32 posted on 08/25/2008 10:15:42 PM PDT by ketelone
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Tagging is more than just visual pollution or a means of the poor expressing themselves. I see tagging as a form of urban terrorism, a threat in a language that I can't nor do I want to understand.

I have watched taggers in action and have called the police. They are too fast for regular police enforcement. I have watched taggers come by foot, bike and car. Sometimes they work along or in a group. Their actions and times they hit property are too sporadic for stake outs. The most effective method would be to snipe the terror punks from the distant shadows. Open season on taggers would solve a problem that is costing the taxpayers millions but here in California there are so many gang members and their supporters that this type of activity would result in an escalation of violence and civil war. If your caught shooting and killing a gang member for tagging, the ACLU would make sure that you would go to the head of the line on death row.

44 posted on 08/26/2008 12:00:10 AM PDT by pterional
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I'm sorry, but as much as I dislike vandalism, I can't see myself shooting someone for graffiti. Perhaps if they misused a prepositional phrase or something? Nah, don't see it...
49 posted on 08/26/2008 2:47:07 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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Graffiti is one of the processes by which the social infrastructure of our society is destroyed, just as is racial tension, promiscuity, lawlessness, the assault on morality and pretty much everything the left supports, enjoys or engages in. Without all of these things they can not break down this country, and would not be able to rebuild it in the Stalinist mold they so worship. It is natural that they would support graffiti and abhor anyone who might try to stop it.


50 posted on 08/26/2008 2:51:26 AM PDT by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To a liberal, beset with feeling of guilt, graffiti is Art, and a brave expression of downtrodden minorities. It is to be welcomed and encouraged, and even supported with taxpayer money.


51 posted on 08/26/2008 2:57:33 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Five Year Plans and New Deals, wrapped in golden chains...)
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The graffiti started in my old neighborhood about a year before the daylight burglaries, car breakins and thefts and other vandalism started. Right about the same time taxes doubled on my “gentrified” old neighborhood, moving old residents out and 20-somthings in.

Graffiti is like an ad campaign that says, “we don’t look out for the neighborhood and you can get away with anything.”


52 posted on 08/26/2008 3:51:35 AM PDT by sbMKE
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I agree. Shoot ‘em.


53 posted on 08/26/2008 4:50:52 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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Sell licences and equip the pellet guns with gun cameras like fighter planes.

You have to get 5 seconds of video of them tagging and then it's legal to hit them in the ass.

And provide police as guides and escorts to protect the tagger bagger.

54 posted on 08/26/2008 5:09:00 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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