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To: Polarik
Now, if the absence of the second fold is not enough to convince you, take a good look at the top fold in the allegedly photographed "paper COLB." That fold was made on a diagonal, while the fold on the FactCheck COLB is perfectly horizontal and parallel with the border. I measured at least a 20 pixel difference between the fold and border on the left side, and between the fold and border on the right side. Now, don't let anyone tell you that it was folded "Twice," because each of the two folds appear in the photos as clean creases.

It wasn't folded twice. And it wasn't folded on any significant diagonal. And the fold in the photos is perfectly consistent with the fold in the scan.

Photo 2 makes it appear that the fold was made on an diagonal. But that's simply because the angle of the page above the fold on the "DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH" side was more extreme than the angle above the fold on the "STATE OF HAWAII" side.

Take a look at photo 5 and you'll see that the distance from the fold to the top inside edge of the border does not vary in any significant way.

But sticking to photo 2 for the moment, pull it up, make it full size, and then scroll to get to where the fold meets up with the left side of the border.

As you can see, the fold there is located just above the pair of horizontal (or vertical with respect to the photo itself but I'm going to reference them as they would appear with the document right reading) bars, and right at the ends of the pair of vertical bars above them.

Then scroll down, following the fold until you get to the point where it meets up with the right side of the border.

As you can see, it's moved further above the horizontal pairs to the point that nearly half of the vertical pair above them is now below the fold.

Now pull up the Kos or FactCheck scanned images and you will find the exact same thing.

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27 posted on 08/25/2008 2:42:16 PM PDT by Koyaan
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To: Koyaan

I wonder how long you’ll be a freeper, since the consensus is that you’re a CoLB troll.


29 posted on 08/25/2008 8:56:26 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Koyaan
It wasn't folded twice. And it wasn't folded on any significant diagonal. And the fold in the photos is perfectly consistent with the fold in the scan.

Photo 2 makes it appear that the fold was made on an diagonal. But that's simply because the angle of the page above the fold on the "DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH" side was more extreme than the angle above the fold on the "STATE OF HAWAII" side.

Here's photo 2 and it is diagonally folded twice.


30 posted on 08/25/2008 10:00:28 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Koyaan
Maybe “Factcheck” should rename their organization to “Factchuck”.

For them to breath new life into this COLB controversy by publishing photos of the alleged “real” COLB and continue to avoid the simple act of publishing a certified vault copy of Obama’s actual birth certificate(s), they really look completely incompetent. They will disappear as soon as Obama’s failing campaign is finished.

32 posted on 08/26/2008 5:19:34 AM PDT by motoman
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To: Koyaan
You contune to pull claims out of who-knows-where, and that are not backed up with documentation. P?retty much ev erything you have said is like that, "the signature stamp was visible with the naked eye."

No way, Jose.

I checked all of your prior posts, and you never said "Boo" about it before you ever saw others monkeying around with the color balance.

You also don't understand the principle of perspective: objects further away from an observer will look smaller than objects close to the observer. Yet the the distance from the border to the fold on the left side is greater than the right side. It's like 123 pixels to 145 pixels.

Take a look at photo 5 and you'll see that the distance from the fold to the top inside edge of the border does not vary in any significant way.

Measure it. You're slicing soime more balooney I've measured it before removing the perspective as well as afterwards, and I'll post a few pictures.

THe fold on the Kos image is horizontal and parallel -- not so for the FactCheck image

33 posted on 08/26/2008 5:27:24 AM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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To: Koyaan
No, you won't find the same thing, re: the fold lines.

You need to show us the actual measurements. Again, you say a lot but show very little.

Here are the comparisons and measurements, via GIMP measure tool.

Left side measurements were taken from the bottom of the "T" in STATE down to the fold line.

Right side measurements were taken from the bottom of the "T" in HEALTH down to the fold line.

FACTCHECK PHOTO LEFT SIDE:

FACTCHECK PHOTO RIGHT SIDE:

FACTCHECK IMAGE LEFT SIDE:

FACTCHECK IMAGE RIGHT SIDE:

The left side of this FactCheck photo (BC #5) is only slightly slanted away from the POV, and if the law of perspective is going to be claimed, then you would expect the left side, that's further away, to be smaller than the right side, which is closer to the POV.

You can also try measuring the distance from the inside borders to the fold.

Next?

34 posted on 08/26/2008 9:45:43 AM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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To: Koyaan
I have a special request for everyone on behalf of Virgina Travis, daughter of Patricia DeCosta. You may have noticed that I have been referring to that COLbas PD's COLB out of deferrence to Virginia -- who was very upset that her mother's memory was being tarnished by the misuse of her Mom's birth certificate. Therefore, please, from now on, refer to that COLB as PD or PD's COLB. Thank you.

Now, for a little touch of Polarik.

Here's a synopsis of my update here.

Some of the suspicious elements I first noticed about the FactCheck photo last Friday, turned out to be too problematic to use them as points of contention. In particular, the location of the date stamp, the location of the signature stamp, the size of the borders, and the look of the borders were not sufficiently different for me to make a judgment call. So I redacted them from my original post.

However, there are a few, highly significant differences between the COLB photo and the COLB image.


36 posted on 08/26/2008 4:36:35 PM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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To: Koyaan
I have a question:

In every photo of the embossed Seal on the backside of the COLB, the top part is cropped out right where the bottom fold should be.

Coincidence? Or intentional?

38 posted on 08/27/2008 5:37:27 AM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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