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To: M. Espinola

So the Georgians didn’t initiate a major military offensive against heavily populated Tskhinvali in the early morning of August 8th hours after Gerogia president Saakashvili gave both the Russians and the S. Ossetians assurances they wouldn’t?

Who bombed the Tskhinvali hospital and burned down the University then, pixies?


13 posted on 08/24/2008 12:19:33 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
Like the Russians are noted for fast logistics. It took months of planning. Internet DOS( Denial of Services ) attacks and bot placements were noted a week before the ‘rescue’.

Ah, the Soviets, er, Russians. Always the worlds wonder for liberty, freedom and prosperity.

17 posted on 08/24/2008 4:25:07 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: mac_truck
Who bombed the Tskhinvali hospital and burned down the University then, pixies?

Only if pixies is a code word for Russian invaders. I'd suggest you peddle your BS elsewhere, but, if want any takers, that would pretty much limit your sales area to Russia itself. The whole rest of the world just ain't buying it.

18 posted on 08/24/2008 5:50:04 AM PDT by Sal (Pyrrhic Pooty just took Russia down to a 3rd class, 3rd world POS country that is dying.)
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To: mac_truck
Who bombed the Tskhinvali hospital and burned down the University then, pixies?

"We resemble that remark."

19 posted on 08/24/2008 5:53:32 AM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: mac_truck
Who,
Who you ask?

The same folks that tried to kill President Bush and Georgia President Saakashvili with a Russian RGD-5 Hand Grenade.

(PS stop reading Pravda)

Georgia: Tbilisi Says Russian Officers Behind Gori Bombing
By Jean-Christophe Peuch

Georgian officials on 25 July blamed Russian intelligence operatives for a recent series of attacks in the South Caucasus country. Those attacks include a fatal car bombing in Gori, the main city of the Shida Kartli region, near the separatist region of South Ossetia. Russia denies any involvement in the attacks, and has labeled the charges a provocation. The accusations are not likely to ease Georgia's already troubled relations with Russia.

Prague, 26 July 2005 (RFE/RL) — Georgian Interior Minister Vano Merabishvili, speaking in Gori on 25 July, announced the arrest last week of two suspects in a 1 February blast that claimed the lives of three police officers.

“I would like to express my thanks to the counter-intelligence department, which has demonstrated an exceptional professionalism in the past six months, identifying and [eventually] arresting the people who carried out this terrorist attack,” Merabishvili said. “The two individuals who parked that notorious car here and then blew it up have been arrested and will be brought to justice under Georgian laws.”

Merabishvili said six additional suspects are being sought in connection with the case. A third man was arrested on 25 July.

Georgian officials had long suspected South Ossetian separatists were responsible for the blast.

But Georgian analysts have said they believe the blast could be linked to infighting among rival Gori-based criminal groups controlling smuggling operations to and from South Ossetia. Several regional police officials — including Shida Kartli police chief Aleko Sukhitashvili, the alleged target of the bombing — were dismissed on suspicion of corruption in March.

Merabishvili on 25 July said confessions obtained from the two detainees had helped investigators determine the Gori attack had been planned by a man he identified as Colonel Anatolii Sysoev of the Russian Army's Main Intelligence Directorate, or GRU.

The interior minister was joined by Givi Targamadze, who heads the Georgian Parliament's Defense and Security Committee.

Targamadze accused Russia of using South Ossetia as a base for carrying out a number of sabotage operations against Georgian interests — including attacks last year on the country's electricity grid that caused severe power outages.

“It is very unfortunate that our suspicions regarding Russia's possible direct involvement in our internal conflict [with South Ossetia] have proved founded,” Targamadze said. “[The Russians] are directly training groups of saboteurs. We said in the past that we had information in regard to this. These groups are quite large, numbering — according to our information — about 120 people. In addition, there are quite a lot of [Russian] agents on Georgian territory.”

The Interior Ministry later released a police video purporting to show one of the detainees admitting to playing a role in the Gori attack.

Investigators have identified the man as Gia Valishvili, an ethnic Georgian who said he recently changed his name to Valiev. In the video, Valiev described how he and his accomplices organized the attack, planting 70 kilograms of TNT in a car left outside the Gori police headquarters.

Valiev claimed the mastermind of the attack was a Russian, a man whom he identifies simply as Igor. In the video, Valiev said Igor suggested the explosives be connected to a detonator hidden in a cigarette pack in the car's glove box.

“The explosives had a special detonator that Igor had prepared,” Valiev said. “The mechanism was hidden in a pack of Yava cigarettes. Two wires were protruding from the pack and were connected to an explosive capsule. On the side of the pack was a switch. After the mechanism was activated, it would go off within 15 minutes if neither the car nor the pack were moved. If the car or the pack was moved, it would go off within two hours.”

Valiev never mentions Anatolii Sysoev by name. But Georgian investigators say the GRU operative is the same man Valiev identifies as Igor.

In a fresh police video released on 26 July, Valiev told investigators that Igor and other GRU operatives had established a headquarters with Russian peacekeepers in the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali.

“In the second half of 2004, around 15 August, the GRU took us to the Daryal Gorge in [neighboring] North Ossetia,” Valiev said. “We were trained at the 58th [Russian] army base. Our instructors were Russian. They taught us how to fire various weapons, assault rifles in particular, how to lay mines and use various pieces of heavy equipment. There were some 90 of us from [South] Ossetia at the base.”

Georgian officials have been careful not to implicate the Russian government in the attack. But the allegations have still sparked anger in Moscow.

Yevgenii Ivanov, a spokesman for the Russian Embassy in Tbilisi, rejected suggestions his country could be behind the Gori attack.

“We categorically deny any possible involvement of Russian officials, or [government] institutions, in any illegal action committed on Georgian territory,” Ivanov said.

In comments made to Russia's state-controlled Channel One television, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Vyacheslav Sedov also rejected Merabishvili's accusations.

Sedov said Moscow is “accustomed to seeing the Georgians make mountains out of molehills.” In this case, he added, there wasn't even a molehill to begin with.

In a statement, the Russian Foreign Ministry said Tbilisi's claims “would neither help normalize the situation in South Ossetia, nor contribute to the further development of Russian-Georgian ties.”

Relations between Georgia and Russia have long been tense, despite the mild rapprochement that followed Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili’s election in 2004.

Tbilisi accuses Russia of supporting separatist regimes in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, while Moscow blames Georgia for allegedly allowing Chechen militants onto its territory.

Addressing an emergency security meeting in Tbilisi, Saakashvili on 25 July praised investigators for arresting suspects in connection with the Gori bombing. But he said claims that Russian individuals are involved in the attack should not harm ties with Moscow.

“I would like to stress that although there are clear indications that foreign citizens were involved in these operations — and we have ample documented evidence of that — I want everyone to know that we all have that information, but that we don't want to use it for confrontation,” Saakashvili said. “We don't want cooperation with Russia [in the anti-terrorism fight] to turn into confrontation. We want full cooperation with the Russian Federation, with its appropriate services and their heads, as well as with [its] government on issues related to the fight against terrorism.”

Meanwhile, Russian media on 26 July said Georgia's accusations are likely to prompt increased tensions between Moscow and Tbilisi.

In a commentary, Russia's state-controlled Radio Mayak said the claims are “absurd” and that there are no possible motives for Moscow to be involved.

Other Russian media note that Targamadze and other Georgian officials have also suggested Moscow might be behind a recent failed grenade attack on U.S. President George W. Bush during a visit to Tbilisi in May.

An ethnic Armenian resident of Tbilisi, identified as 27-year-old Vladimir Arutyunian, was arrested last week on suspicion of throwing a Russian-made device at Bush and Saakashvili while the two presidents were addressing a large crowd on Tbilisi’s Freedom Square. The grenade reportedly failed to go off due to a malfunction.

Although Arutyunian has suggested in a police video that he acted alone, Georgian investigators on 25 July said they were looking for possible accomplices.

23 posted on 08/24/2008 12:30:35 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: mac_truck
Putin's Kremlin had been plotting to grab semi-bordering crude oil and natural gas pipelines, which the Russians do not control, nor should they. The pipeline extending through Georgia is Georgia's, not KGB Putin's personal 'stolen' property.

Moscow is arming and supporting all of our worst enemies, Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezballah, Cuba, Hugo's dictatorship, North Korea plus other rouge communist and jihadist régimes involved of cheering the murder of Americans, British and other allied forces in Iraq, Afghanistan and wherever the enemy is being countered.

Behind the obvious enemy is Russia's corrupt oil fueled neo-Soviet economy, now the biggest threat to the Western based economic system, as the northern hemisphere enters the cool of Autumn, then the cold and ice of winter.

Energy Czar Putin's blood stained claws are on the shut of switch to the natural gas feeder pipelines (foolishly agreed to on the part of Europe) keeping the EU warm during winter. This killer neo-Bolshevik swine has already had practice leaving millions ex-Soviet captive nations in the cold through his calculated energy blackmail, and his latest devious act, 'cyber terrorism' as in the case of Georgia, just prior to the Russian horde invading, and previously the Kremlin's cyber terrorism was pulled against Estonia -- which target will be next? London, Wall Street, Warsaw (again)?

The damn barbaric Russians should be pushed back into their 'motherland' and totally out of the Trans-Caucasus. Communist butcher Stalin ruthlessly murdered & deported millions of indigenous people from the Caucasus and in turn shipped ethnic Russians into the Trans-Caucasus. The damn barbaric Russians should be pushed back into their 'motherland' and totally out of the Trans-Caucasus - where they do not belong.

Transplanted Russians need to also relinquish other grabbed Finish territory back to it's rightful national ownership, coupled with the removal of Moscow's ICBMs,tanks & naval forces from the stolen, isolated, Russified Königsberg region---directly on NATO's front lines!

The bloody Russians begin this war, just as they did the last one in 1939, with Moscow's joint invasion of Poland with the Nazis. It's up to the West to finish it!

28 posted on 08/24/2008 3:47:39 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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