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1 posted on 08/21/2008 9:40:08 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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Ping!


2 posted on 08/21/2008 9:40:40 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

NUTS!


3 posted on 08/21/2008 9:42:41 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Oh, please. The answer is not the eeeeeeevil speculators; the answer is DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW.


4 posted on 08/21/2008 9:44:02 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I love this “blame the speculators” BS. The whole point of a financial market is that everyone sees the exact same bid & offer.

Any price a “speculator” can buy you can too, and the same for any price he can sell. In fact, you have the advantage because he needs to move more contracts so you can find liquidity when he can’t. There is no evil black magic he can use to change these facts...he makes money at the same risk, he’s just better at it.

I can’t stand hearing people whine about “manipulation”, because if you really know better where the price should be than the thousands upon thousands of people whose job is based on accurate pricing then there’s nothing stopping you from putting your money where your mouth is and making a killing.

In fact if you’re confident enough in your opinion, leverage in the futures markets will let you make not only enough to more than cancel out whatever you pay (or have paid) to fill your tank, but enough to retire a hundred times over.


8 posted on 08/21/2008 10:04:18 PM PDT by BobbyT
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If my premise is true then Bush could further reform the oil futures market. He’s already ordered the SEC to forbid bidding on the same barrels of oil from multiple speculators. He could order that speculation require a larger percentage of the bid price up front. This would help offset OPEC which may cut production at its next meeting. It would also undercut dems complaining about speculators as long as the new rules don’t make the price plunge dramatically. Then driling would still be a hot topic but keep the economy humming.


15 posted on 08/22/2008 12:21:55 AM PDT by TheThinker (Capitalism is the natural result of a democratic government.)
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ping


22 posted on 08/22/2008 3:12:35 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

There was an article from Reuters covering a governmental paper released by the CFTC, several weeks ago. Very peculiar, circumspect language, referring to an unnamed “very special trader.” This “very special trader” was reclassified as speculative, and controlled 460 million barrels of oil. Nearly US$60 billion dollars at the time. That’s well above 11%.


26 posted on 08/22/2008 3:27:39 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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Even more surprising to the commodities markets was the massive size of Vitol's portfolio -- at one point in July, the firm held 11 percent of all the oil contracts on the regulated New York Mercantile Exchange.

My concern is with the companies buying oil dependent companies on the dips - and selling on the highs. For example, say I know oil's going up in price - and that airline stocks will be going down... or the reverse. I can "time" the market. Just bleed it dry. When there's enough holdings in a small number of hands, it's a cornered market.

29 posted on 08/22/2008 8:25:21 AM PDT by GOPJ (If Obama can't stand up to Hillary, he can't stand up to North Korea. Iran. Or anyone.)
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fyi


30 posted on 08/22/2008 9:02:35 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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So who owns parts and pieces, or (more likely) controls people who control parts of pieces of this (conveniently foreign-held) Swiss company Vitrol?
32 posted on 08/22/2008 9:35:58 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

No doubt the Bilderbergers are behind this.


37 posted on 08/22/2008 4:44:34 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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