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You write potato, I write ghoughpteighbteau
The Economist ^ | Aug 14th 2008 | Staff

Posted on 08/21/2008 4:42:07 PM PDT by forkinsocket

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1 posted on 08/21/2008 4:42:07 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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Written language is more than a phonetic version of its spoken cousin: it contains etymological and morphological clues to meaning too.

Bingo!

2 posted on 08/21/2008 4:44:49 PM PDT by sionnsar (Impeach Obama |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: forkinsocket
and may underlie the national test results released on August 12th which revealed that almost a third of English 14-year-olds cannot read properly.

It would be interesting to learn whether that figure was consistent historically or whether the author is evading the possibility that the skewls mai bi to blaim.

3 posted on 08/21/2008 4:49:43 PM PDT by sionnsar (Impeach Obama |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: sionnsar
You write potato, I write ghoughpteighbteau
That happens to me, too!
Then I turn off the Dvorak keyboard...

In all seriousness, very interesting. Thanks for posting.
4 posted on 08/21/2008 4:53:58 PM PDT by astyanax (Support your local veterans. Napalm a hippie.)
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To: TR Jeffersonian

ping


5 posted on 08/21/2008 4:56:00 PM PDT by kalee
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To: forkinsocket

Anyone remember the decabet skit?


6 posted on 08/21/2008 4:56:24 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Rest In Peace, Capt. Ed "Too Tall" Freeman (1928-2008))
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To: NonValueAdded

Yes. Some of the funniest stuff to ever air on TV.


7 posted on 08/21/2008 5:00:21 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: forkinsocket
One solution... is to accept the most common misspellings ...rather than correct them.

The exact wrong thing to do!

8 posted on 08/21/2008 5:00:46 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: forkinsocket; LibreOuMort
I've learned from my Anglophone/Francophone wife that we have it much easier than the French. Their written language is so far from accurately phonetic that correct spelling is achieved only by a few.

And before everyone jumps me or the French, I have found the French people even in Paris to be polite, helpful and friendly to this non-French-speaking obvious American (I think obvious: in Vienna and in Germany I sometimes get asked directions by native German speakers -- and if French folk are being friendly to Germans now... *\;-).

Scottish Gaelic, on the other hand, is nearly perfectly phonetic. "Smaoineachadh" (thinking) is pronounced exactly as written -- once you know the rules. *\;-)

9 posted on 08/21/2008 5:00:48 PM PDT by sionnsar (Impeach Obama |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: BenLurkin

u mean i can’t say

u sux?


10 posted on 08/21/2008 5:19:36 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: forkinsocket

You know, it’s true...this whole English language thing just isn’t working out. Let’s try something else.


11 posted on 08/21/2008 5:20:38 PM PDT by AndrewB
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To: forkinsocket
a central regulatory authority capable of overseeing standardisation.

Shouldn't that be "standardiZation"?

Don't have one; don't want one; don't need one. Our language is just fine the way it is.

12 posted on 08/21/2008 5:21:39 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: forkinsocket
Orthographic reform is like the Norwegian Blue Parrot. An idea whose time will never come.
13 posted on 08/21/2008 5:28:42 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (His Negritude has made his negritude the central theme of this campaign)
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To: forkinsocket

www.hotforwords.com Marina will tell you all about where the words came from!


14 posted on 08/21/2008 5:32:37 PM PDT by WellyP
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Perhaps one reason why large numbers of 14 year olds in England do not read English properly is that they are spending most of their time memorizing the Koran rather than reading the King’s English.


15 posted on 08/21/2008 5:51:02 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: forkinsocket; All
For anyone interested, I highly recommend The Mother Tongue.
Sorry, can't remember the author, it was probably 20(?) years ago,
but it was a fascinating (and humorous) account of the development of the English language, including grammar and spelling.
I don't suppose anyone remembers it?
...cue crickets...
16 posted on 08/21/2008 6:02:25 PM PDT by astyanax (Support your local veterans. Napalm a hippie.)
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To: forkinsocket
"Written language is more than a phonetic version of its spoken cousin: it contains etymological and morphological clues to meaning too"

Ok.

Huh?

17 posted on 08/21/2008 6:48:57 PM PDT by lowbridge ("I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it" - Van Den Boogaard)
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To: astyanax

That was by American author (and Anglophile) Bill Bryson. Bryson loves the English language and used to work as a sub-editor for the Times of London, he is very defensive of the “Americanisations” which were frequently derided by English snobs but which he proved are very often the proper old English usage.

He also wrote a very useful book for anyone who needs to write properly (or just likes to write properly) “Bryson’s Dictionary of Troublesome Words”. It’s amazing how many simple errors you’ll discover that you make and had no idea they were wrong (eg no such words as “alright” or “alot”), mind you installing a spell checker in your computer will probably do that job for you anyway.


18 posted on 08/21/2008 7:14:26 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick
Thanks!
I usually just avoid 'alot' and 'alright' because they "look" akward, if that makes any sense.
It's not that I 'need' to write properly, but I'd prefer to.
Is his dictionary as entertaining as his history of English was? (i.e. is The Mother Tongue his typical writing style?)
19 posted on 08/21/2008 7:39:15 PM PDT by astyanax (Support your local veterans. Napalm a hippie.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Speaking of spell check...
I thought that “akward” looked, well, awkward.


20 posted on 08/21/2008 7:48:42 PM PDT by astyanax (Support your local veterans. Napalm a hippie.)
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