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To: TigersEye
"I can't believe you want to stand by that statement. America is the bully and Russia is the poor innocent scarecrow?"

At what point did I say that? I didn't post the scarecrow.

In essence, what I did say and will stand by, is that our politicians are and have been the provocateur by arming Russia's neighbors to the teeth, pointing missiles at Russia and exploiting what is in essence a localized border dispute and turning it into the potential for a World War. And while this is being done in America's name, it is not FOR America, it is to protect Western international oil companies interests and make sure that they become monopolies. We don't give a damn about Georgia or the Ukraine or Poland or we wouldn't be throwing them in front of a truck.

Let's go your way. Let's see what happens if we go after Russia, militarily.

Russia cannot economically survive without exporting oil to Europe, so if she goes to war with Europe & us, you can count on two things -- the first thing that Russia would do is to take out the non-Russian pipelines which account for 60% of Europe's energy imports. Europe's economy would collapse and what's left of ours would, too. Europe now becomes totally dependent on Russia's oil and gas, and Europe would become more afraid of Russia than ever. All our buls%%t rhetoric won't mean a damn thing when Europe is freezing to death. If we keep spurring on the attack on Russia, we here in the US won't come out clean. We may be a nuclear power but so is Russia and we are not invulnerable.

Ultimately, who would win this war? The ME Muslims, who really control who gets what oil. And they and the NWO types would bring all of us to our knees in a perpetual state of martial law.

Is that what you are willing to risk over S. Ossetia and Abkhazia? Because I am not!

You may think Russians are nasty bastards and you may be right -- all the more reason not to corner them and threaten them, which is exactly what we have been doing.

A wile back, BrotherJoeK reminded of something that I had not thought of before: "When the Russians were Soviets, they were atheists and that was actually something that we had going for us -- because they didn't believe in God, they didn't want to lose the only life that they believed that they had." Well, the Russians aren't atheists anymore, and like us, they believe that they have a destiny. They tried playing that destiny as cooperating with us and all we did was spit on them. Now, they don't care what we think. If they can't be loved, they'll settle for being feared because it gets them some respect. By continually challenging and cornering them, we have made them far more dangerous than they ever would have been otherwise.

43 posted on 08/21/2008 12:39:47 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe
At what point did I say that? I didn't post the scarecrow.

No, I wasn't referring to the picture at all. What I meant was you are making it sound like Russia is innocent and harmless ... like a scarecrow.

n essence, what I did say and will stand by, is that our politicians are and have been the provocateur by arming Russia's neighbors to the teeth, pointing missiles at Russia and exploiting what is in essence a localized border dispute and turning it into the potential for a World War.

Then we simply, and completely, disagree about that.

And while this is being done in America's name, it is not FOR America, it is to protect Western international oil companies interests and make sure that they become monopolies. We don't give a damn about Georgia or the Ukraine or Poland or we wouldn't be throwing them in front of a truck.

Completely disagree. Oil fuels the whole world. As such it will naturally become leverage in all international dealings. We are not forcing Russia to make mega-billions of dollars and we're not forcing them to use their oil/gas reserves as blackmail for their paranoid aspirations to hegemony. You obviously have a view of Russia that sees them as victims. I don't. I see them as brutish thugs. I'm talking about those in power. The people there are victims ... of their government and as such have no idea what is going on in their name.

45 posted on 08/21/2008 2:27:05 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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