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WHere did you cut and paste the HW bidding history from? The summary of the post-war treaty issues was very superficial.

When and how long have you been in panama? visiting x number of countries is meaningless in this context (I personally do not walk around with an exact count on my countries visited). You clearly did not spend enough time here to figure out who runs what if you think the ports are the canal.

Stating that HW controls balboa and cristobal port is true.
Neither port runs the canal, which is run by the ACP. This is a branch of the government here (not beijing), and is still mostly an american-style civil service. Please present evidence the ACP is run by china.

let me repeat - HW runs 2 ports. HW does not run a canal. They do not control the canal. They do not operate locks. They do not dredge the canal.

The ACP does all of that. The ACP has nothing to do with the ports.

You have not even mentioned the ACP.

All you have managed to cut and paste is a somewhat dimly written summary of the owner of HW and his obvious connections to the chinese government.

There is no question HW got the lease corruptly. Welcome to latin america - you should try africa.

I have friends who work in the canal commission who find this stuff absolutely hysterical, and wonder what on earth people in the US (since they clearly don’t live here) are smoking.

Your inane demand that I ‘prove’ this verges on the bizarre - the ACP is the Panama Canal Commission (formerly the Panaam Canal Company, formerly the Isthmian Canal Company) renamed and doing essentially the same thing they always did - operate the canal in ALL ASPECTS. This is a matter of the most basic public record. You have to be willfully dense to not know that the PCC continued functionally unchanged after the handover. You haven’t even mentioned the commission in any form.

As far as who owns it, by treaty it was returned to Panama in 1999. I can assure you titular ownership has not changed.

So, to recap -

HW runs 2 ports. They are a company with connection to the chinese government. It is unclear what the connection is - you are welcome to provide evidence on the nature of the connection. Please note that the law giving the port leases to them did not include the canal.

ACP runs the canal. It is not clear that you even knew what the ACP was, since you didn’t mention it in the cut-n-paste you offered me.

Why don’t we talk about who owns the canal, and who operates it, rather than balboa and cristobal ports?

I’m not answering your questions. LOL

You never answered any of mine.

Don’t play games, yes, it was “superficial” because I really don’t have time to give history lessons in detail. I’ve got too many other things going on to worry about one person who doesn’t want to take the time to LEARN on his or her own.

Why don’t you do your own research and stop PARROTING Russia crap?

I’ll give you one piece of information, I have an exact count of countries “in my head” because it concerns my job and I have to know those sorts of things. We’ll leave it at that, suffice it to say that it’s a pretty important aspect of what I do and why I “know” what I “know”. Just accept the fact that I know these things. By the way, I’ll bet you money that EVERYONE on this board can tell you EXACTLY how many countries they’ve been in.... (But not you? Interesting)

Don’t bother me again unless you’re willing to answer MY questions first. You’re NOT going to sit there and put me on the “defensive” because I’m right, and you’re completely wrong. Have a nice day.