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Magpie birds display self-awareness (evolution debate)
Yahoo News ^ | 8/18/08 | Ben Hirschler

Posted on 08/19/2008 1:48:22 PM PDT by pollwatcher

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Well, just to light up the ole Evolutionary debate.:-)

I remember the Baltimore Science Museum displaying an imaginary figure of what an intelligent reptile would have evolved into (if we weren't around to derail them, I guess). I also remember seeing the pack hunting Raptors in Jurrasic Park thinking "No way could any lizard ever be that smart!"

Well, maybe some the dino's avian offshoots are doin' it for themselves! (Maybe some of those smart African Grey Parrots could get themselve "socially promoted" to 5th grade level given the Public School standards these days!)

1 posted on 08/19/2008 1:48:23 PM PDT by pollwatcher
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To: pollwatcher

Dang, my dog knows herself in the mirror.................


2 posted on 08/19/2008 1:49:47 PM PDT by Red Badger (All that carbon in all that oil and coal was once in the atmosphere. We're just putting it back.....)
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To: pollwatcher

All you have to do is watch those old “Heckle and Jeckle” cartoons to realize how gifted magpies are.


3 posted on 08/19/2008 1:50:52 PM PDT by Ebenezer (Strength and Honor!)
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To: pollwatcher

Chickens can do this.


4 posted on 08/19/2008 1:52:05 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: pollwatcher

When they start building hospitals, shopping malls and churches, create art for it’s own sake, can appreciate music and the beauty of a sunset, and most importantly are aware of their Creator, then the debate should begin. Until then, so what? The belief that one is the result of a (long) series of DNA coding errors, makes one more like the animals one studies, and less human.


5 posted on 08/19/2008 1:55:57 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: pollwatcher

“It shows that the line leading to humans is not as special as many thought,” lead researcher Helmut Prior of the Institute of Psychology at Goethe University in Frankfurt...”

But of course. Naturally, though, for these clowns it doesn’t matter what the experiment shows, the conclusion is always the same: humanity isn’t all that special.

(By the way, am I the only one who gets nervous when Germans start talking about how un-special human beings are?)


6 posted on 08/19/2008 1:56:06 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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My thought exactly. LOL!


7 posted on 08/19/2008 1:56:31 PM PDT by stylecouncilor (I'm a loner Dottie; a rebel.)
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To: pollwatcher
It had been thought only chimpanzees, dolphins and elephants shared the human ability to recognize their own bodies in a mirror.

Total BS. A lot of animals are very smart. I had no idea how smart rabbits were til I got pet rabbits. Smart critters. And funny too. They have foibles that are hilarious.

8 posted on 08/19/2008 1:59:51 PM PDT by Huck
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“Magpies can recognize themselves in a mirror.”
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Some days I can’t even do that.


9 posted on 08/19/2008 2:00:24 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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I remember the Baltimore Science Museum displaying an imaginary figure of what an intelligent reptile would have evolved into


10 posted on 08/19/2008 2:02:20 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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Is it self awarness or recognition of the same species.

I have 2 labs. I discovered they had grown too big for me to walk them in tandem when they drug me across someone’s lawn to visit the concrete lawn ornament of a dog.

My biggest lab consistently barks at a lawn ornament of a panther. She recognizes the catness of it.


11 posted on 08/19/2008 2:05:20 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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Upon looking into the mirror, the female Magpies immediately asked, “Do I look fat?”


12 posted on 08/19/2008 2:08:07 PM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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(By the way, am I the only one who gets nervous when Germans start talking about how un-special human beings are?)

LOL

13 posted on 08/19/2008 2:08:39 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: pollwatcher

Not sure what magpies being ‘self-aware’ has to do with the evolution debate. They have two eyes as well - just like humans! :::gasp:::


14 posted on 08/19/2008 2:15:42 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: pollwatcher

The pack hunting raptors in Jurassic Park remind me exactly of chickens going after a garter snake or a frog.


15 posted on 08/19/2008 2:17:41 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: pollwatcher

Lately when I look in a mirror there is old man in there. Don’t recognize him though.


16 posted on 08/19/2008 2:18:59 PM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: pollwatcher

There’s at least one person in the world who’s taught an African grey parrot to speak English perfectly well but you have to raise the bird as if he were a kid and not a bird, i.e. it’s a lot of work.


17 posted on 08/19/2008 2:22:35 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: LukeL

That’s Joe Sleestak (D-PA). A reptile, indeed.


18 posted on 08/19/2008 2:29:33 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Five Year Plans and New Deals, wrapped in golden chains...)
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LOL!
19 posted on 08/19/2008 3:01:11 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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That’s Joe Sleestak (D-PA). A reptile, indeed.

"Reptile" comes before "Republican" in the dictionary.

Of course, so does "Democrat" (which as Julia Roberts never observed comes after "demise" and before "dinosaur").

20 posted on 08/19/2008 3:13:29 PM PDT by Lonely Bull
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