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To: GodGunsGuts

It doesn’t even make sense. Why are they so afraid? Where does this irrational fear come from? I do not and have never feared Science. It was truly my first love as a child. One of my mentors was Isaac Asimov by proxy of course. I probably as a child read more articles written by him than any other and he most certainly was an atheist. I cried the day he died. I don’t think any other author affected me that way. I remember getting into an acute argument with my country grandmother and telling her she was descended from monkeys. I think it was a response to her calling negros monkeys (her terms not mine) or something to that effect.
I think it is the first time I ever confronted anyone like that. I also read a lot from Stephen Jay Gould.

Ironically it was through reading the Origin of the Species and many other references on Darwinism that I found the picture wasn’t so clear. That natural selection and random mutation and even neo-darwinism didn’t explain evolution fully. It was my hunger for science that led to the conclusion that there was more going on. Also I wasn’t impressed with the reliance on silly concepts like monkeys and typewriters. Monkeys and type writers will always produce gibberish and never Shakespeare (as if their is a limit on the amount of gibberish a monkey or politician can produce) yet Darwinists for the longest time kept using that silly story as if it were some kind of unchallengeable truth. Smart people should not need to rely on patently ignorant claims to prove a point. Science does not need to attack religion to be valid a religious person should not insert theology into science and a scientist should not tilt their findings toward an atheist mindset.

I feel as Kant did that such things are “two independent discourses of a dualistic system”. That is one reason why I object to trying to use the Bible to derive what God didn’t do or what he did do where no elaboration is provided. I don’t like putting God in a box. I think that Christians often do this. There are no innocent parties where this debate is concerned. Much of the antipathy to religion expressed by atheists and secularist was fueled from the pulpit from those who substituted anger for grace.

Here is a neat little story: (Isaac Asimov Illustrates Creationism)

http://1truebeliever.wordpress.com/2007/10/26/isaac-asimov-illustrates-creationism/


54 posted on 08/18/2008 11:22:18 AM PDT by Maelstorm (John McCain is ready to be commander in chief)
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To: Maelstorm
I do not and have never feared Science

No one else that I know of in the "Creation movement" fear or hate science either.

Science is based on Creationism: A Good, rational Creator, that creates rational, predictable, elegant, and DISCOVERABLE laws in the universe. It's amazing that scientists use these assumptions in order to make their discoveries, then some atheistholes come along and try to bend the evidence and force this interpretation on children in schools.

57 posted on 08/18/2008 11:26:32 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Maelstorm

//Ironically it was through reading the Origin of the Species and many other references on Darwinism that I found the picture wasn’t so clear. That natural selection and random mutation and even neo-darwinism didn’t explain evolution fully. It was my hunger for science that led to the conclusion that there was more going on//

That largely parallels some of my experiences.


59 posted on 08/18/2008 11:27:32 AM PDT by valkyry1
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==It doesn’t even make sense. Why are they so afraid? Where does this irrational fear come from?

Isn't it obvious? They know they have no scientific leg to stand on. Look what Creation and ID scientists have done to discredit Darwin's fairytale while being excluded from the scientific debate...can you imagine what will happen if public science institutions have to dispassionately present both sides! In short, they're doomed, and they know it.

61 posted on 08/18/2008 11:29:31 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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