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State science standards in election spotlight (ID/Creation Kansans need to vote!)
The Wichita Eagle ^ | August 1, 2008 | LORI YOUNT

Posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: ColdWater; MrB
I notice that you spend a lot of time attacking me but never addressing the issue of MrB’s position that the Bible has to be taken literally.

Could you point out where MrB states that the Bible has to be taken literally? I scanned his posting history and found no comment to that effect.

961 posted on 08/22/2008 8:56:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Journal of Creation http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/24/68/

Interesting. Item6 under general:

"By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information. "

Of course, they (and you?) neglect the fact that if people are fallible, then the people interpreting the bible are subject to making wrong interpretations of the Bible. hmmmmm.......

962 posted on 08/22/2008 8:58:54 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; MrB; metmom; GodGunsGuts

as described in Genesis

As described in Genesis .... Man was alone and God found that that was not good so he set out to create for Adam a help-mate and so he created all the animals from the earth and brought them to Adam but Adam found them wanting so he created Woman from Adam.

Translation: God created Adam, then the animals THEN Eve.


Which Bible are you reading from?

I’ve got the Good News, Student Bible (my favorite because it explains alot), King James and NLT and I’d invite you look at Genesis 1: 24-28.

Here it’s crystal clear that the order is animals (from the earth by the way)...man (also from earth) and then woman (from Adam).

I’m not so sure what your point in all this is...the sequence of creation.

Two things:

1. It helps to read scripture in context with ALL scripture to get a better overall understanding.

2. To fully understand the word of God it helps to be in the Lord’s will.

Actually it’s essential.

If you’re motive is a gotcha in the first place...the likelihood that it’ll be YOU that gets GOT are very high!


963 posted on 08/22/2008 9:09:44 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom
Could you point out where MrB states that the Bible has to be taken literally? I scanned his posting history and found no comment to that effect.

Actually, he said that Jesus said ...

Jesus referred often to Genesis and Moses’ writings as literal and historical.

964 posted on 08/22/2008 9:10:12 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; MrB; tpanther; GodGunsGuts
What is your definition of a creationist. If you go to a 'creationist' website, it says that in order to be a creationist one has to put the Bible first and if science conflicts with the Bible, then one must alter the science to match the Bible.

If science isn't about truth or proof, then what's the problem?

Science is altered all the time. What's *true* today is not likely to be *true* next week or next year.

Why should we alter the Bible to fit something that is constantly changing?

I just love how evos and scientists have fits about someone not accepting their latest pronouncements about "scientific" advances and then later go on to change that very thing themselves when it suits their needs (the one where there's so much evidence that they can't NOT change it without looking like fools).

Like with the steady state theory that held such sway at the beginning of the century. The scientific community held to the steady state theory of the universe, to the point where Einstein engaged in fraud by adding the cosmologic constant to his formulas for make them fit the theory instead of adjusting the theory to fit the data. The only ones who had reason to believe that the universe had a beginning were the Bible believing Christians.

That is, until Hubble's observations confirmed that Einsteins original equations were correct and he had no choice but to admit that he was wrong and remove the constant.

In that case, there was a conflict between Scripture and science and look at who was right.

So what's the problem with adjusting science to fit the Bible again?

So much for scientific integrity.

965 posted on 08/22/2008 9:11:34 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tpanther
1. It helps to read scripture in context with ALL scripture to get a better overall understanding.

How do you take into context that God said it was not good that man was alone so THEN he created the animals and presented them to Adam and THEN when Adam rejected the animals, God created woman for Adam?

966 posted on 08/22/2008 9:11:47 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; GodGunsGuts; tpanther
Of course, they (and you?) neglect the fact that if people are fallible, then the people interpreting the bible are subject to making wrong interpretations of the Bible. hmmmmm.......

Of course, evos neglect the fact that if people are fallible, then the people interpreting the fossil record are subject to making wrong interpretations of the fossil record. hmmmmm....... indeed....

967 posted on 08/22/2008 9:13:48 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
So what's the problem with adjusting science to fit the Bible again?

Uh, you have been reading too much from creationwiki.com. They did NOT adjust science to fit the Bible but to fit the evidence presented. Much like the scientists adjusted from the sun revolving around the earth to the earth revolving around the sun to fit the new evidence.

968 posted on 08/22/2008 9:14:28 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

creationwike.com????

you mean ‘wire’ or something?


969 posted on 08/22/2008 9:14:56 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: ColdWater

You’re misunderstanding so much I don’t know where to begin.

Ummmm how did you get Adam “rejected” animals for instance? Did he reject them in one way but perhaps accepted them in another?


970 posted on 08/22/2008 9:15:37 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: ColdWater
Jesus said that (Jesus referred often to Genesis and Moses’ writings as literal and historical.)?

Where?

971 posted on 08/22/2008 9:15:52 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tpanther

You are ignoring Genesis 2:18 .... where it specifically states that God made the animials AFTER finding that it was not good for man to be alone.


972 posted on 08/22/2008 9:16:07 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: metmom

A few posts back from here on this thread where all this started.


973 posted on 08/22/2008 9:16:51 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; tpanther

Where does it say that Adam rejected the animals? Sources? Chapter and verse?


974 posted on 08/22/2008 9:17:09 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tpanther
You’re misunderstanding so much I don’t know where to begin. Ummmm how did you get Adam “rejected” animals for instance?

"but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."

975 posted on 08/22/2008 9:19:44 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
They did NOT adjust science to fit the Bible but to fit the evidence presented.

And that was their problem because the Bible was right. But in their arrogance they thought they knew better than God. No wonder they keep trying to get rid of Him. Their ego can't stand the competition.

976 posted on 08/22/2008 9:19:47 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ColdWater
Of course humans are fallible, and of course there is room for disagreement among Christians on a number of doctrinal issues...but not on the core doctrines. For instance, you cannot deny the divinity of Christ and remain a Christian. And when it comes to the Genesis account, the Bible is very straightforward about the creation days, and the chronologies. The Bible's message with respect to creation and a young earth is unmistakable. The Journal of Creation subscribes to this view, and anyone who disagrees is free to start their own journal.
977 posted on 08/22/2008 9:20:41 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom
Of course, evos neglect the fact that if people are fallible, then the people interpreting the fossil record are subject to making wrong

No. Scientists accept that people are fallible. Why do you try to misrepresent the facts.

978 posted on 08/22/2008 9:20:46 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

Chapter and verse where Jesus said you have to take Scripture literally?


979 posted on 08/22/2008 9:21:28 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Of course, they (and you?) neglect the fact that if people are fallible, then the people interpreting the bible are subject to making wrong interpretations of the Bible. hmmmmm.......

Of course, evos neglect the fact that if people are fallible, then the people interpreting the fossil record are subject to making wrong interpretations of the fossil record. hmmmmm....... indeed....


that’s gonna leave a mark!

HERE’S HOW IT WORKS...godless liberals are objective and don’t make any mistakes...

just like their worldview can’t be taken literally or “isn’t the same thing” when they demand the Bible be held up to such scrutiny.

It’s easy if you work backwards, inside out and into contortions of all kinds, as long as you demand to be angry at God!

Seriously, I suppose it’s sensical if you’re as deluded as the next guy.


980 posted on 08/22/2008 9:21:49 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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