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State science standards in election spotlight (ID/Creation Kansans need to vote!)
The Wichita Eagle ^ | August 1, 2008 | LORI YOUNT

Posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

With five seats on the State Board of Education up for grabs this year, education advocates say how children learn about evolution hangs in the balance -- and who voters choose could affect Kansas' national reputation.

A frequent flip-flop between moderate and conservative majorities on the 10-member board has resulted in the state changing its science standards four times in the past eight years.

Conservatives have pushed for standards casting doubt on evolution, and moderates have said intelligent design does not belong in the science classroom.

In 2007, a new 6-4 moderate majority removed standards that called evolution into question.

This year, none of the three moderates whose seats are up for election are running again. Only one of the two conservative incumbents is running for re-election...

(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: creation; crevo; education; election; elections; evolution; intelligentdesign; kansas; schoolboard; scienceeducation; wrongforum
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To: tpanther

Implying I can’t read won’t help you.


1,121 posted on 08/26/2008 2:53:34 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Implying I need help is laughable!


1,122 posted on 08/26/2008 3:05:30 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tacticalogic; GodGunsGuts

and whine and censor and take the entire communtiy chest for failed godless liberal “education”.

there...finished it for you.


1,123 posted on 08/26/2008 3:10:15 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
You'd speak for me and everyone else if we'd let you.

Not sure about everyone else, but I sure as hell won't.

1,124 posted on 08/26/2008 3:24:15 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tpanther
Implying I need help is laughable!

If you didn't need help, you wouldn't have to lie.

1,125 posted on 08/26/2008 3:27:18 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tpanther
Implying I need help is laughable!

If you didn't need help, you wouldn't have to lie.

1,126 posted on 08/26/2008 3:27:40 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Implying I need help is laughable!

If you didn’t need help, you wouldn’t have to lie.

If you had the ability to read, you’d realize the truth!

Here’s a thread that seems to be almost written with you in mind:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2068077/posts


1,127 posted on 08/26/2008 3:34:45 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tacticalogic; metmom; GodGunsGuts; MrB

You’d speak for me and everyone else if we’d let you.
Not sure about everyone else, but I sure as hell won’t.

And yet, you’re the one defending censorship! And missing the point: we won’t let YOU ram godless liberalism down society’s throat!


1,128 posted on 08/26/2008 3:37:23 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
And yet, you’re the one defending censorship! And missing the point: we won’t let YOU ram godless liberalism down society’s throat!

Show me censorship, and I'll condemn it.

You have set yourself against everyone who doesn't share the same Biblical creation doctrine you hold, in the harshest possible terms. They don't have to be atheists, they can believe in and teach their children about the life of Jesus Christ, or the Ten Commandments and still be "godless liberals" with "no moral compass" in the service of Satan.

For you, creation doctrine is an all or nothing proposition, nothing else is worth mention or consideration. You are determined to force that doctrine down the throat of anyone who doesn't already believe in it. I'm not sure who this "we" is you're talking about, unless it's you and G-string, but right now it's just you and every time you try it I'm going to consider it an opportunity to take fingers.

1,129 posted on 08/26/2008 7:50:20 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: All

As exciting as these threads are, and as beloved as I know I am, I’m bailing out until after the conventions.

FR is running slow, and I choose not to aggravate this problem with any more twaddle.

See y’all later.


1,130 posted on 08/26/2008 7:54:37 PM PDT by js1138
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To: tacticalogic; tpanther
For you, creation doctrine is an all or nothing proposition, nothing else is worth mention or consideration. You are determined to force that doctrine down the throat of anyone who doesn't already believe in it.

Try this... it's more accurate. Evidenced by the lawsuits filed post haste after a *wrong* decision by the parents.

For you, creation doctrine evolution is an all or nothing proposition, nothing else is worth mention or consideration. You are determined to force that doctrine down the throat of anyone who doesn't already believe in it.

And thus we have lawsuit upon lawsuit with the full support of frevos who argue in favor of them.

1,131 posted on 08/27/2008 5:00:20 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic

Show me censorship, and I’ll condemn it.

If you haven’t seen it by now, you’re incapable.


You have set yourself against everyone who doesn’t share the same Biblical creation doctrine you hold, in the harshest possible terms.

You really do have a problem with reading and understanding what you read as I’ve said SEVERAL times now evolution can be taught exactly as it is, my position is to allow ID simply be acknowledged. The HARSHEST possible terms would be YOUR position: BAN EVOLUTION!


For you, creation doctrine is an all or nothing proposition, nothing else is worth mention or consideration.

Once again, you must have me confused with someone else.


You are determined to force that doctrine down the throat of anyone who doesn’t already believe in it. I’m not sure who this “we” is you’re talking about, unless it’s you and G-string, but right now it’s just you and every time you try it I’m going to consider it an opportunity to take fingers.

So far you’ve demonstrated you’re incapable of understanidng links or posts. And now you’ve developed some psychosis with fingers? Perhaps you should focus on one of your many problems at a time?


1,132 posted on 08/27/2008 5:07:05 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom

And thus we have lawsuit upon lawsuit with the full support of frevos who argue in favor of them.

Well, by now I think it’s pretty easy to see one of their tactics is: WHAT lawsuit?


1,133 posted on 08/27/2008 5:09:54 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
I haven't misread anything. It's all right there in your posts.

If someone believes the theory of evolution, or even just Old Earth theories based on the physical evidence then their religion is "science". It doesn't matter what other Christian beliefs they may hold, they aren't Christians unless they believe in the literal account of Creation in the Book of Genesis. They don't have the proper "Christian worldview". You want to fix that, and you want to do it in the classroom.

1,134 posted on 08/27/2008 5:11:06 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tpanther
Well, by now I think it’s pretty easy to see one of their tactics is: WHAT lawsuit?

Someone asked you to back up your claims of Creationists being "sued into oblivion" with an example of it actully happening. You're so abused.

1,135 posted on 08/27/2008 5:14:11 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Someone asked you to back up your claims of Creationists being “sued into oblivion” with an example of it actully happening. You’re so abused.

www.catholicleague.org

www.thomasmore.org

www.aclj.org

Even the Dover school board decisison would have disabused the smallest of minds of such fantasy.

Stop setting new low standards!


1,136 posted on 08/27/2008 5:55:10 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

Give me an example of a Creationist being “sued into oblivion”. Court cases are public record, show me one. If it’s happening then the record will bear that out. When did this happen, and who did it happen to? Where’s the beef?


1,137 posted on 08/27/2008 6:14:05 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

I haven’t misread anything. It’s all right there in your posts.

If someone believes the theory of evolution, or even just Old Earth theories based on the physical evidence then their religion is “science”. It doesn’t matter what other Christian beliefs they may hold, they aren’t Christians unless they believe in the literal account of Creation in the Book of Genesis. They don’t have the proper “Christian worldview”. You want to fix that, and you want to do it in the classroom.


For someone with a real hatred of God and a deep seated fear of.... God only knows what...my first guess is that evolution simply can’t stand up to the truth; I guess I can somewhat see how you could come to such conclusions. It’s why you have to rely on censorship to shut down debate, and/or demonize your opponents, pretend like you can’t see the censorship and so on and so on...

As I’ve said over and over...you clearly demonstrate this isn’t about the science.

There ARE ways to get help.


1,138 posted on 08/27/2008 6:15:06 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

Ah. Now if I believe the theory of evolution I hate God. It just keeps getting better and better. Do I hate God if I believe the Earth is over 6,000 years old?


1,139 posted on 08/27/2008 6:21:56 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; metmom; GodGunsGuts; MrB

Give me an example of a Creationist being “sued into oblivion”. Court cases are public record, show me one. If it’s happening then the record will bear that out. When did this happen, and who did it happen to? Where’s the beef?


Maybe, but I seriously doubt this but...

it’s a technical glitch on your end?

Since you consistently refuse to either read or click on the myriad links...

let’s simplify...who knows, perhaps it’s a search engine or some other glitch on your end...

but anyway try this:

type in:

i-n-t-e-l-l-i-g-e-n-t

then

d-e-s-i-g-n

then

l-a-w-s-u-i-t.

And THEN tell us how many hits you get.


1,140 posted on 08/27/2008 6:40:09 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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