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'Guns in the hands of good people'
York Daily Record ^ | 17 August, 2008 | BRIAN FENTIMAN

Posted on 08/18/2008 6:06:46 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: Niteranger68; Deaf Smith

Point taken. It may well be one in the same since we’re talking a center mass shot but the word choice will make a difference - in the court room.


21 posted on 08/18/2008 6:58:04 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (College kid: "Do you have a minute for Obama?" NVA: "Not now or ever.")
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To: AnAmericanMother

Its not that sobering - there still seems to be plenty of people around attacking innocent citizens.

Perhaps theres just a proportion of abandoned folk about who will always be with us.


22 posted on 08/18/2008 7:08:19 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: NonValueAdded

“When you have to shoot, shoot. Don’t talk.”


23 posted on 08/18/2008 7:10:28 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: NonValueAdded
As my old Grandfather, who lived in the early 1900s,used to say,”If you have to pull it, pull it a’smokin, or it better be made of chocolate if he makes you eat it.” I have always
carried, but have never fired a shot in anger. Would I have intervened in this case? I would like to think so. I have always wondered if any one present in the parking lot at the
Killeen, TX cafeteria shooting was armed and didn't try to stop it. Would we be like the Bad Samaritan, and pass on the other side. After all this was in Texas.
barbra ann
24 posted on 08/18/2008 7:12:23 AM PDT by barb-tex ( A prudent man (more so for a woman) foreseeth the evil and hideth him self)
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To: JillValentine

Taking someone elses life is not exciting or heroic. Its something you do because you HAVE to, and even then, the normal person will agonise and have nightmares and, as the author says, second-guess themselves.

People like Tarantino do enormous damage. I know that technically his direction and camera angles and use of color are all excellent, but the message of his films is IMHO, immoral in extremis.


25 posted on 08/18/2008 7:13:11 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: thefactor

Good point!


26 posted on 08/18/2008 7:14:12 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: NonValueAdded
If you are going to shoot, shoot (thanks, Tuco!) and shoot to kill.

Our instructor (reserve Deputy) said that we were never shooting to kill, but that we were shooting to stop the threat (even if it resulted in the death of the perp). Shooting to kill was fodder for DAs and the perp's family. Shooting to stop the threat was a better statement to make when asked about the events at hand.

27 posted on 08/18/2008 7:19:40 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: TChris
When all the witnesses tell you it was self-defense, then just write the report and let the guy go home.

Doesn't happen that way. Worst thing in the world is an 'eyewitness', especially a number of them. No one sees the same thing, and all views are different and some conflict.

The police, coming on a shooting scene are going to cuff and hold everyone involved until the physical evidence can be determined, examined and a decision made by the DA.

28 posted on 08/18/2008 7:28:10 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Leadership without experience is dangerous. - Lindsey Graham NO B.O.)
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To: Vanders9

Taking a life may not be exciting or heroic, but it’s also not “tragic” in my opinion when a piece of human refuse is eliminated from the gene pool.


29 posted on 08/18/2008 7:35:13 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Deaf Smith

“The lesson?... and shoot to kill.”

NO

To stop the threat.

Two words: Center Mass

Colonel, USAFR


30 posted on 08/18/2008 8:03:28 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: Vanders9
There are always the real nut cases whom nothing but a bullet will stop.

But there are not enough CCW permit holders out there right now to make the marginal characters stop and think.

31 posted on 08/18/2008 8:11:14 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: jagusafr
"Why did you shoot the person seven times in the chest?"

"Because six wasn't enough and after the seventh, he went down."

Read this somewhere. Most likely here in FR.

32 posted on 08/18/2008 8:15:03 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: DaveLoneRanger

armed citizen ping...


33 posted on 08/18/2008 8:44:29 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...


Libertarian ping! To be added or removed freepmail me or post a message here.
34 posted on 08/18/2008 8:49:34 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Niteranger68
The very first words you say to an officer (or 911 dispatcher) after something like this are the most important words you may ever speak. LEO's are there to collect evidence and document what happened. Saying "I was shooting to kill the guy" will not help you at trial.

You want to say something like "He gave me no choice! I was sure he was about to kill me. I had to stop him!" Then you say "I want a lawyer." And then you shut up.

And if you can't say these things with a clear conscience, you have no business pulling the trigger.

-ccm

35 posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:33 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: JillValentine
Even people with professional training will feel an emotional impact after killing someone, even if the killing was fully justified...and they don’t deliver cheesy one-liners.

What a load of unadulterated crappola. I've known a lot of warriors in my day. Guys who fought in every war from WWII thru Korea and 'Nam and now the WOT. I speak to them as we wait for our VA Clinic Appointments. I speak to my friends returning from the Theater of Operations. I can't think of a single one showing a SHRED of remorse for having efficiently eliminated an enemy combatant. I remember the horror of a reporter who asked a special forces sniper what he felt when he killed a tango at long range and he stonily replied: What do I feel? Recoil.

Go over to YOU TUBE and do any kind of search you want on combat videos. Tell me if the Marines or soldiers sound sad when they kill an enemy combatant. EXAMPLE 1 EXAMPLE #2 (warning language!)

Now translate that home to a police officer standing between you and the wolves. He knows the liberals expect him to feel great remorse and this he shows until it's time to go behind closed doors with his buddies and break out the beer. Don't think the same thing doesn't happen after a successful self defense by anybody besides a liberal who feels the gawd awful guilt trips laid upon him by spineless sniveling vermin who would rather knuckle under and crawl before they'll hurt any living thing.

36 posted on 08/18/2008 9:39:36 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: bamahead; marktwain
Shooting someone is an extremely unpleasant experience but when it comes to them or you, you'll be grateful you were able to.


37 posted on 08/18/2008 9:39:47 AM PDT by Lady Jag (The trouble isn't that there are too many fools, but that the lightning isn't distributed right)
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To: JillValentine

If you want to know more about the effect of legally sanctioned killing on those who do the killing on behalf of the rest of us, LtCol. David Grossman has written several books on the subject. He is a psychologist, as well as a US Army ranger (now retired) and ROTC instructor at Arkansas State University in Jonesboro.


38 posted on 08/18/2008 9:40:25 AM PDT by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!)
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To: ExSoldier

If the first one is looking you in the eyes and 10 feet from you as you pull the trigger, it’s traumatic.


39 posted on 08/18/2008 9:42:52 AM PDT by Lady Jag (The trouble isn't that there are too many fools, but that the lightning isn't distributed right)
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To: ccmay
LOL I had good buddy, another NRA Instructor who was giving a ccw class to a bunch of businessmen in the inner city years ago. He's putting his portable TV and vcr into the trunk of his car when his spidey sense tingles and he looks up to see two bad guys closing on him in a classic pinchers move from across the street. He immediately spots this little old black lady down the street maybe 100 yds away waiting for a bus. He retreats and puts his back to the building wall. He begins to scream in terror:

Please don't hurt me! I'll do anything you want! Take my car, my wallet, anything, just please don't hurt me!

The two stop and just look at him with puzzled expressions.

As he's screaming he's grinning like a wolf and drawing his 1911 up to firing position. The perps instantly knew he was setting up his defense in court: That little old lady would testify that all she knew was she heard this poor man begging for his life and then she heard a series of shots! The two punks ran away at high speed.

40 posted on 08/18/2008 9:58:47 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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