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The Genetic Map of Europe
The NY Times ^ | August 13, 2008 | NICHOLAS WADE

Posted on 08/17/2008 2:13:47 PM PDT by forkinsocket

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1 posted on 08/17/2008 2:13:47 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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"The map was constructed by Dr. Kayser, Dr. Oscar Lao and others, and appears in an article in Current Biology published on line on August 7."

And I see that Dr. Kayser and Dr. Lao (and others) produced a graph using Eigenvector 1 und Eigenvector 2!

2 posted on 08/17/2008 2:21:19 PM PDT by chs68
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To: forkinsocket

Can someone please explain this article to me in 25 words or less.


3 posted on 08/17/2008 2:21:59 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: forkinsocket

Damn! That global warming.


4 posted on 08/17/2008 2:22:54 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: forkinsocket

This is going to sound like a weird question, but I know almost nothing about genetics. When you inherit genes from your parents, you only inherit half of the DNA, right? So, they only inherited half of their parents DNA, and so forth. So is it possible that by three or four generations, the DNA from some of your ancestors is simply not passed on? I mean, it gets weeded out to the point where, say, I have no DNA at all from my dad’s father’s mom?


5 posted on 08/17/2008 2:23:21 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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You inherit half of each, unless there is a mutation you don’t get something unique, unless there is a reinforcement of a trait due to genes from both.

You can lose a trait, certainly. None at all seems very unlikely after just three generations.


6 posted on 08/17/2008 2:29:31 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: A_perfect_lady

It’s not a perfect 50/50 split between mother and father. When the chromosomes of the sperm and egg line up together in meiosis, they form chiasmata, crosses. The tail end of one chromosome swops for the tail end of another chromosome, repeatedly, up to ten or twelve times for each chromosome (apart from X & Y). So you don’t end up with half of father’s and half of mother’s exact chromosomes, but a set of mixed chromosomes.


7 posted on 08/17/2008 2:31:56 PM PDT by KevinGray
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To: Uncle Hal

Europeans genetics vary semi-predictably according to their location.

Cavalli-Sforza came up with the same results twenty years ago, using less sophisticated analyses.

But Finns are weird.


8 posted on 08/17/2008 2:32:45 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Uncle Hal

Don’t know if I can make 25 word or less but basically:

Europe was settled in 3 waves. Europeans (and by extension Americans of European decent) are all the same people but there are little bitty differences.

What it all means is that Englishmen and Irishmen are more closely related than Northern Italians and Southern Italians - something some of us have believed for a long time. Therefore, Ireland should be come part of the UK and everything south of Castel Gandolfo should be declared an independent country and renamed North Lybia.


9 posted on 08/17/2008 2:37:42 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: Uncle Hal; buwaya

And Finns are weird.


10 posted on 08/17/2008 2:40:18 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF ("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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To: chs68
Finnish exceptionalism strikes again!



SISU!
11 posted on 08/17/2008 2:41:51 PM PDT by inkling
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To: forkinsocket

What I don’t understand about this is why the Mongol and Turkish invasions of Europe or the Arab invasion of Spain didn’t have any effect on the genetics of Europe, or the Roman Empire for that matter.

There seems to be a lot more significant migrations and invasions in European history than the biologists are considering.


12 posted on 08/17/2008 2:45:33 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: forkinsocket; martin_fierro; Soliton

Ping.


13 posted on 08/17/2008 2:48:56 PM PDT by LucyT (What happens in Denver....is anyone's guess....August 25 - 28, 2008)
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To: inkling
SISU?

Does that mean:

Socialists International Suck Underwear?

Stately Intellectuals Startle Uruguay?

So Irving Sews Up?

Some Inventors Seek Utopia?

Saxon Invaders Seem Ugly?

????

14 posted on 08/17/2008 2:48:59 PM PDT by chs68
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To: chs68
From Wikipedia:
Sisu is a Finnish term that could be roughly translated into English as strength of will, determination, perseverance, and acting rationally in the face of adversity. The equivalent in English is "to have guts", and indeed, the word derives from sisus, which means something inner or interior. However, sisu has a long-term element in it; it is not momentary courage, but the ability to sustain the same.
In other words: testicular fortitude, and then some.
15 posted on 08/17/2008 2:52:20 PM PDT by inkling
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Well, considering how much Arabs like to integrate with the population they infest, I think at least half of your question has been answered.


16 posted on 08/17/2008 2:56:16 PM PDT by shekkian
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To: forkinsocket

Ping


17 posted on 08/17/2008 2:58:31 PM PDT by NYC Republican (Infuriate the MSM- Vote for McCain)
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To: I_Like_Spam

Who says they didn’t ?

More significant oddity, the Hungarians are right there in the bosom of Eastern European genetics, but they are a well-known invader race, with a language totally unrelated to any other in Europe but the Finns - and see how weird THEY are ! So the few thousand Asiatic Hungarian horse-nomads took over lands full of Slavic/Germanic farmers and gave them their language, but genetically, next to nothing.

The same is true of the Turks, btw. The modern people of Anatolia probably look very much like their ancestors did, who lived under the Byzantine Empire.

The answer is that of Cavalli-Sforza - conquests and invasions (where there isn’t wholesale population replacement) do not change the genetics of established agricultural populations very much, because there are generally LOTS more native farmers than invading overlords, these are always a drop in the genetic bucket.


18 posted on 08/17/2008 3:00:19 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: forkinsocket

Man, I’m all over the map.


19 posted on 08/17/2008 3:05:05 PM PDT by decimon
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20 posted on 08/17/2008 3:07:45 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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