Thanks for the great article. This is exactly the way we need to approach the situation in Georgia/Caucusus
Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:36 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
ping!
Good one, DC.
Options on Georgia ping.
Let the Russians shut the gas off to western Europe, and then roll their tanks in. That’s when those sneaky rats will turn to the American “War Criminals” and scream, “help us, save us” which will have been for the third time.
Now, we give the collective “Get Bent” and we don’t show up and we hand the entire whore house to Putin, and let him have his way with it. I just want to watch the French collaborators bowing to their Russian masters like they did the Nazis. Maybe another Vichy government..
Only the dead know the end of war....Plato
Russian General says one thing, observers say another.
Thanks for the great article. This is exactly the way we need to approach the situation in Georgia/Caucusus
Thank you!
I love the graphic...consider it stolen. ;o)
I suggest every night we send a Predator over Georgia to rain Hellfire down on a selected tank or outpost. Next day we know nothing.
“Missiles? What missiles? Clearly it was their own defective ammunition that detonated.”
Russian Generals lie, donchya know.
Are you not old enough to remember the cold war?
Heck...if you’re not, I envy your youth. ;o)
In any case...we’re heading into Cold War II.
Yeah, but Reuters reported it. So I was hoping two lies would make a right ? /sarc
Russian withdrawal not started -Defence Ministry
17 Aug 2008 07:46:40 GMT
Source: Reuters
MOSCOW, Aug 17 (Reuters) - Russia's Defence Ministry said on Sunday it had not yet begun withdrawing troops from Georgia's breakaway region of South Ossetia.
"It has not started yet. The question of withdrawal is being considered now and the decision will be taken as the situation in the region is stabilised," a ministry spokesman said.
Thank you!
You are awesome!
It may not be all that cold.
1) Make America a primary energy provider by promoting a comprehensive natural resource harvesting/energy production program with emphasis on drilling and nuclear power.
2) Absolutely destroy Russia's terrorist clientele. Force Iran and Syria to focus on essentials like rebuilding basic infrastructure rather than trying to build nukes.
LOL!
Good point. ;o)
Could you explain why you would say that?
It’s interesting, to say the least.
Oh, man...my dream come true!
Caipirabob, your mind is our secret weapon.
I love your thoughts on this subject!
When this thing broke in Georgia I sat down dictated some musings about the implications of all this. I will set them out now to demonstrate that I agree with the author but I am adamantly opposed to the quoted portion of his article above. I cannot think of anything stupider than to engage for no definitive strategic purpose in military adventures in Syria and Iran. This would leave us utterly without support in Europe and that is the first place we must secure if we are to wage a global war which this author otherwise correctly describes.
Beware the Council of neocons who would exploit every crisis through a lens that requires America, at all costs, to act in a way that irrevocably commits it to Israel. The Stakes in this game are not Israel. We are talking about the survival of Western civilization as we know it. If Russia aligns itself with the Arab and Muslim petroleum exporting nations, and can contrive an alliance with Venezuela and the natural resource producing nations and South America which have recently gone leftist, America will be hard-pressed to rally the world.
We're on the verge now of losing Europe. Mindless attacks on Syria and Iran (unless the regime in Iran is overthrown) are almost certain to lose Europe. Any attack on Iran should be done by the Israelis. United States strategic interest is to prevent an axis between Iran and Russia. Pinpricks will only assure that axis will be built.
China's decision at that point, to go with the forces of darkness and autocracy, to remain neutral, or to throw its weight in on behalf of civilization and prosperity, can decide the affair. What will China choose if Europe has abandoned us because of mindless attacks on Syria and Iran?
Here are the musings which I post to demonstrate that I am in overall sympathy with the authors strategic conception but not in his myopic, neocon, pro-Israeli application of it:
Some implications of the Russian attack in Georgia:
An Israeli strike against Iran is now more likely. It look that the map will see that Rush is inching closer to direct geographical contact with Iran which only confirms the very dangerous trade and nuclear support that the Russians have been conducting, some of it in the dark.
Seen from the Israeli side, they can have no doubt now that Iran will soon have the bomb one way or the other, either through their own efforts or directly from Russia. The Israelis will see that Iran and Russia could well announce a mutual defense pact as a kind of a tit for tat with our installation of missiles in Poland. Once such an announcement is made, an attack by Israel against Iran becomes much more problematical. It makes it more difficult for Americans to supply, even clandestinely, the necessary logistics such as in-flight fueling needed for the Israelis to strike. So the Israelis must preempt if they are to act at all. In any event, we know that if they are going to act, they must act before George Bush leaves office, especially if Obama is elected.
A separate implication of the war in Georgia is that it might well cleave NATO. This has been a Russian/Soviet aim for at least half a century. Consider the matter from the European point of view: they are utterly dependent on oil and gas delivered via pipeline and almost all of which is controlled by Russia. My neighbors, many of them, heat with natural gas stored in a giant cavern not far from my house and Upper Bavaria which comes to them through a pipe from Russia. If the Europeans were adamantly opposed to the war in Iraq where they risked nothing and blamed America for everything, imagine their reaction to American proposals to get tough over Georgia. [Imagine their reaction to American strikes against camps in Syria and Iran!]
European pusillanimity, their leftism, will make it impossible for their politicians to do anything other than appease Russia and blame America. The Russians need only advance vaguely plausible arguments on their behalf- e. g. American meddling (read: CIA) caused the Georgians to overstep and commit aggression against the "independent" regions- which the Europeans can seize upon to save face. Couple that propaganda with reassurances that the pipelines will be kept open, and you have Chamberlain/Hitler redux.
A third implication of the Russian aggression in Georgia is that waging war with oil has now become a strategy used in a new world war which overlaps and might even embrace the world war conducted by radical Islam against civilization. In both wars oil is both a weapon and a prize. In both wars, civilization must fund its enemies with petrodollars.
Great risk here of course is that Russia will contrive a new world order of controlling nations starting with Iran and including Venezuela and whatever other.
Because of the international diplomatic disaster of our war in Iraq, even George Bush knows that he is virtually toothless in the Caucasus both militarily and diplomatically. He knows he has no backup in Europe. He himself has said that he has very few cards to play. So if Bush bows to reality and does nothing except fulminate and try to kick Russia out of the G-8, NATO will muddle on but it will be bereft of any international respect.
Should Bush pushback against the Russians too hard, McCain might do so as well if elected, that could strain NATO to the breaking point.
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